Seeker, sorry I hit the button before copying this across.

Perhaps some lines from the book by Brash in the other forum on dateing gives some perspective on this

-The New Wife has a husband who supports her. “These men prefer to make more money so their wives can stay at home”.
-“Potentially a good provider” is on her shopping list when looking for a husband. “It is a very calculated conscious decision on the part of these women” says Brash.

Now what if the husband has similar attitudes.
-The New Husband has a wife who supports him. “These wives prefer to make more money so their husbands can stay at home”.
-“Potentially a good provider” is on his shopping list when looking for a wife. “It is a very calculated conscious decision on the part of these men” says Brash.

If the husband and the wife had similar attitudes, then they would be non-compatible. The marriage simply could not operate.

So the husband becomes the provider, and the woman wants to choose the best provider. Feminists have said that this is patriachy or men oppressing women etc,etc,etc, but if you study it then it is simply realism.

It has been noticed that men who are not employed or have good qualifications are less likely to get married, which also goes against feminist principles that women are only interested in emotions, love and respect and not money.

Sad, sad planet earth.

Let’s bring back some individual responsibility, consistency and rationality. Having it all does not mean having it both ways.

I agree seeker, it is a very sad state of affairs for both men and women and more so for children.

Women have been told that men are bad and women don't need them. They have been told that women can have money (either by working or from the government), and have children also, but they don't need a man. So many women have tried to remove the man, keep his money and keep the children as well.

Doesn't work, and I think that there are now a lot of very mixed up women, mixed up men and also mixed up children as well.

It has also dropped the fertility rate, but I think there are better forms of contraception than what has been occurring,

... not to mention abortion. Shhh.

Seeker, my "pick-up test" was a contribution to your conversation with Timithy on how men and women approach housework differently, it was not a comment on marriage, or feminism, or abortion. Nor was it a contribution based on personal experience through marriage, as you appear to have assumed, but from observation. The research you mention, which can be found earlier published in the New York Times, is indeed interesting. It suggests that many women who marry must have rocks in their heads. My children and grand-children definitely think so, but then that's probably because they are so smart.

Just a point grace, to my knowledge there have been very few studies into housework in Australia, and most that have been carried out have been biased or non-reliable. No “pick-up-test” has ever been included into any representative, reliable study to my knowledge, and any observations you personally have made are anecdotal only and cannot be inferred as being typical of all men.

I have found that sexist generalisations are one of the most prominent characteristics of feminists, and another prominent characteristic is their continuous attempts to indoctrinate the young using such things as sexist generalisations. (eg men are "absent,reluctant or sexist")