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In 2005, women’s reproductive choices will prove fertile ground : Comments

By Leslie Cannold, published 6/1/2005

Leslie Cannold argues that women are not to blame for low fertility rates because their fertility rates are constrained by factors beyond their control.

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Trade215 Have you read "The man from Snowy River" ? by AB Patterson ?

Immigration I think is one option, I have a better solution, have more babies among the increasingly selfish and 'me me me' of us and and alter our family structures to include more grandparents and extended families, which is what most migrant families do. Learn the meaning of family all over again.. back to prep I think
Posted by BOAZ_David, Tuesday, 1 February 2005 5:13:03 PM
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Jo
"patriarchal society" firstly there is nothing wrong with it, secondly it doesn't have to mean the stereotypical image trotted out by the feminist lobby. There definitely should be an emphasis on the female as nurturer, it goes with the territory of function follows form.

There is a matriarchal society in an area of China, which arose due to the men of the group being roaming mercinaries or soldiers who were away for long periods. Women control property and children, the men just drop in from time to time, father more kids, socialise etc then move on again. Many of the women have more than one 'husband' figure and societies/ and cultural forms are a response to the realities confronting them.

We seem to have a reasonable degree of peace at the moment..but for how long ? Conflict is more the norm with people, and it occurs at borders of territory or it can be within a society over resources as much as simple geography. In those conditions the patriarchal or 'male protector' role is the only workable one. (such as during wartime)

Why not seek to adjust our understanding of patriarchy or our practice of it in a more palatable way ? Cultures usually balance themselves so it is not correct or valid to criticize patriarchy without looking at the culture as a whole.

The Biblical patriarchy was also a response to the realities of the day. If u want a good example of not only romance but how society ran in those days, read the book of Ruth (Old Testament) and u will find my nick in there BOAZ. There are many insights of social and cultural value. Not to mention some pretty good revelations of human behavior compassion and even social welfare.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Tuesday, 1 February 2005 5:30:42 PM
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Haven't read Man from Snowy River.

Having more babies doesn't strike me a solution for those those don't want to have them (like me) or seemd to go against the prevailing trend. Just immigrate. Its a quick and easy solution.
Posted by trade215, Tuesday, 1 February 2005 8:55:36 PM
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Trade
we do need to have more babies :) I'd love to think I can persuade you to have some. Are u a guy or a girl by the way ? did u mean you dont want to have them 'literaly' as in being female ?

The man from snowy river is a classic. I would implement a social studies program which includes

"Australian Identity and Values" (poems like the above)

"Political awareness and the inherrant dangers in democracy"
(not to suggest an alternative by the way)

"Social Trends which endanger freedom in a multi cultural community"
"Battles which gave us our freedom"

(Yarmuk almost destroyed it, ( a terror group in Russia calls itself 'Yarmuk'.. see what its about.)
Poitiers is probably the single most pivotal battle on which the Western world is based today.. have u read about it ?? ) If that battle had been lost, none of the other major wars would have occurred, but at what a price !!!!
I think that every time we send a delegation to the French who thank us for our role in the wars to keep them free, we should also express our undying gratitude for one "Charles the Hammer" without whom we would all be speaking Arabic.

Hmmm.. Ive kinda digressed from the topic haven't I..... sorry :)
Posted by BOAZ_David, Wednesday, 2 February 2005 10:26:33 AM
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The chance of convincing me, at this point in time, to father achild, is about as good as convinving a lion to go vegitarian. ;)

The idea of teach national values and identity doesnt sit well with me. l think that identity (which l think changes every 10yrs or so for an individual) is something for the individual to determine. Similarly with values. lm not real amenable to the idea of nationalism nor patriotism... these things l believe to be the major causes of war.

In terms of freedom... l dont think we have freedom when we are ruled, notwithstanding which victors of a war become the leaders. The politocal philosophy to which l subscribe, which l think will never arise, is free market anarchism. Anarchism, not being the absence of rules, but rather the absence of political rule. Bit of a pipe dream in this day and age, but that's my political ideological position.

Cheerz
Posted by trade215, Wednesday, 2 February 2005 11:39:23 AM
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Trade
its nice to know others views. I'll make like a lion on a chiwawa in due course on them :))) Well.. at least try to flesh out what I was really on about. It will be off topic but I hope people can just put me on "ignore" if it gets up their nose.
Greetings
BOAZ
Posted by BOAZ_David, Wednesday, 2 February 2005 12:54:49 PM
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