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The case for assimilation : Comments

By John Stone, published 19/8/2005

John Stone argues the government must address Australia's growing Muslim problem.

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John Stone – are you for real? Your ideas will simply invoke more religious & racial division, the cause of the problem in the first place. Your ideas are akin to killing an ant with a house brick ( assuming it is your objective to eliminate terrorism, & terrorism only). As to Moslems integrating into Australian society, well, I seem to meet with fully ‘integrated’ Moslems on a daily basis. I don’t know where you live, but I suggest you broaden your horizons & move to, say, central west Sydney. You obviously do not have the social experiences to be judging on the matter of terrorism
Posted by Swilkie, Saturday, 20 August 2005 8:53:00 PM
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Congratulations John Stone what a brilliant way to provoke internal terrorism. Let us really slam our Muslim citizens, let us isolate and degrade them and paint them as a problem that we must deal with. Lets get ASIO onto them, ban any literature of theirs which we deem unacceptable, decide who is radical and who is not, close their mouths up altogether.

Meanwhile we'll work with the Americans, engage in aggressive war with them, support Halburton stealing their oil, occupy their countries, corrupt their officials and here in Australia we will not hear a word that they may have to say.

How long do you think it will take for some frustrated individuals will try and use violent means to vent themselves. Not long I would suppose.

The one group we should be talking to and listening to is the so called radical Muslim leaders. Talk hurts no-one, we may be surprised that they may have a point or two about how their co-religionists have been treated, stripped of the religious language, what is being said is not all that radical and a good deal based on truth.

But we will never know will we, because people like you are doing everything to make sure the only thing we do hear is some bomb going off in a shopping centre. Thanks John, people like you will be never satisfied until you get what you want – that is turn some frustrated, alienated, silenced, youth into a suicide bomber.

Could I point out to you that Muslims have been in Australia since the 1860s and in numbers for some thirty years – what changed that suddenly turned my fellow citizens into outcasts.
Posted by GregS, Saturday, 20 August 2005 9:15:55 PM
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Numbat: Dictionary definition of pagan - one who is not Muslim, Christian or Jew. The timing of Easter is to do with moon phases isn't it? Pre-Islam in Iran, the Persians worshipped Zoroaster, that's usually regarded as a pagan religion.

BD: prayers at meal times. I've been asked to join in the prayers when I've shared meals with Christian friends who know I'm Jewish. A Muslim man who was staying with them (in fact he made dinner if I remember right) also prayed. It wasn't a big deal.

Of course there are problems to be faced with regard to fundamentalist Muslims - but blaming all Muslims is silly as is disregarding the majority moderates who comply with and respect the law the same as other Australians. If minorities feel threatened by the majority, they are less likely to mix, and that will make the problem worse. Best way to forge the future is to get to know each other better.

I've discussed this issue with Muslims originating from different countries. We visit each other in our homes, share meals. We argue about politics, religion, relationships, sex. It's fascinating. I love it. I mix equally with Christians, had my photo taken with an Archbishop last week.

Try responding to people not labels, life is less threatening.
Posted by Shoshana, Saturday, 20 August 2005 9:35:10 PM
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Swilkie,this is not about race but beliefs and idelogy.My Youngest son's best friend for many years is of Lebanese origin.They are a very productive family and have assilmilated well into our society as have many other people from the Middle East.

Now we have a sizable portion of people of Islamic faith who want to change not only our lifestyles,but also the way we can be allowed to think.I take exception to this and won't tolerate it no matter how much the left scream racist.The left have seen a small portion of their mult- cultural utopia fall asunder and are in denial.Just screaming "Racist,"isn't going to make it better.Sure there will be insecure racists who will take the opportunity to say,"I told you so."

If we temper the pace of social and ethnic change to accommodate the general populace,then evolutionary rather than revolutionary change will happen.

I say too,that we suspend all Muslim immigration until the present impasse is resolved.

There are many things I too don't like about our society,but I don't
proclaim murdering infidels,assulting "skips" or saying that Aussie sluts deserve to be raped because of the way they are dressed.

We have a thing called democracy and the rule of law that is relatively secular and thank god for that,since humans have a habit of perverting or destroying the most pristine and beautiful things on our planet in the name of their deity.
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 20 August 2005 10:27:05 PM
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Muslims are not the problem, it is the people who want to let them in. Multi cultists are social terrorists. It is these people who want to transform Australian society undemocratically into some kind of multiracial multi religious utopia that are the problem.

If we take that sample of the british you gov poll, 6 out of 526 respondents 6 to many that believe the London bombings were justified 'on balance'. As the muslim population increases so does the amount of fundamentalists. An increasing muslims population would add to over 10,000 potential suicide bombers living in Britain out of a population of some 1.5 million.

I am amazed that Australia has escaped an internal war. I certainly don't agree with some of the views posted on this thread. I don't agree with multiculturalism, present immigration levels, unnecessary social change to suit some marxist ideological agenda. I fell marginalized, sidelined and alienated. Does that justify me becoming a suicide bomber? Bring out the guns...
Posted by davo, Saturday, 20 August 2005 11:13:09 PM
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Arjay, what is this 'sizeable portion' you allude to? My guess is that well under 1% of the Islamic faith condones the use of violence Jihadists are extremists & compare in number to the fascist christian extremists that have existed thru history. I may also suggest that one examine the number of alleged 'christians' that support the use of violence this very day..
Posted by Swilkie, Saturday, 20 August 2005 11:21:33 PM
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