Hi ttbn,
"...while you are completely uncaring about the horrible things done by Hamas - plus some ordinary Gazans - to Israel citizens; the vile actions that caused the Israeli response to your terrorist friends."

Israel had my sympathy on October 7
(Go check my comment history if you want proof of it)
After that any sympathy I had slowly diminished and it was the innocent Palestinians who gained my sympathy.
I told you all my attitude would change if they kept leveling buildings full of people.
Over in the other forums, you've spoken now and again about your support of Christianity in the country right?
What does the bible say about vengeance?
Either you want people to support these 'Christian ideals' you speak so highly of or you don't.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.

'Vile actions'
- That would depend on what story you've been told.
If it's the 'Palestine broke down the fence so it could go on a rampage killing innocents', then you're the one who has been sold a lie.

If you want a slightly better understanding of what happened, watch this for 10 minutes or so, it's not a perfectly detailed account of the events, but it's a hell of a lot closer to the truth than the one you base your opinions on.

IDF are just stupid kids in combat kits, Hamas will kill them all in modern warfare
http://youtu.be/Msaqyku5MwQ

As for all the vile actions I've seen from Israel in the last 3 months, I honestly wouldn't know where to begin.

"It is not up to Israel to succour its enemy in any way; just as in WW2, Germany and the British weren't responsible for the collateral damage they both caused to each other's civilians during mutual bombing raids. You clearly have no idea what war is."

'enemy' is not the correct word.
There's a certain standard of conduct which applies to occupiers and the occupied under international law.
You can't deprive them of food or water or medicine.
This is collective punishment and a war crime

[Cont.]
This isn't 'collateral damage' it's a policy.
Israel is deliberately targeting civilians and people talking about 'human shields' are helping them, it legitimises it.
Israel can bomb anything and say "Dammit, Hamas are using human shields again!"
Hamas prepared for this war, they are down underground in the tunnels.
What's happening is vengeance, for Israels humiliation and helping to convey a message, that Israel will exact extreme retribution if they Palestinians dare to resist, all the while Israel steals land.
Deliberately targeting civilians is a war crime.

Dahiya Doctrine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine
Mowing the Lawn
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mowing_the_lawn

Netanyahu had survivors who committed the 1948 massacres give speeches to the IDF before they went into Gaza, telling them to go house to house and kill them all (just as they had done)

"You 'support' diplomacy and other things that your terrorists DO NOT. They just want to kill Jews. Your 'support' is worth nothing."

- This is the saddest part of all, the propaganda. 'We're good, they're bad'
In the last 3 months I've probably seen evidence of EVERY DAMN THING that the Palestinians have been accused of, Israel is doing to them.
Whether that be radicalisation of kids, to the attitudes of regular Israeli's themselves, right up to the pro-genocide attitudes within the military and the government, and atrocities committed.
The fish rots from the head, and you know why?
All the horrible hateful 'traits' and 'beliefs' the Palestinians are accused of having:
- I've honestly seen demonstrated within the hearts and minds of the Israelis / Jews themselves.

"Everyone is entitled to an opinion - even when they are not personally involved, as none of us here are. But your maniacal behaviour and hatred on this subject takes the prize as the most horrible ever seen on OLO since its inception."

- We'll, I'll try and tone it down a bit, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong.
And there's plenty of other people who think this whole thing is wrong too.

A few posts back AC said that religion was not the cause of the
problem.
I just cannot see that, it was there 1400 years ago and hatred of
the Jews was built into Islam right at the start.
When they got around to writing the Koran 100 years later they codified it all.
Until and if Islam collapses and the Koran just becomes an ancient
text that only some scholars read, we are stuck with it.
I once thought that the rest of the world should build a real and an
electronic wall around the Middle East, & let no one in or out.
Not really practical I think but thought it might force a settlement.

Frankly, after 1400 years it has got boring !

Here we go again; now the Houthis have got in the act and taken up
piracy again.
To put in the context, the Arab Slave Trade is still run by Arabs in
the Arabian Sea, the Indian Ocean and the Mediterranean Sea.
So it was natural that the Houthis would take their actions to sea.
Actions against ships of countries that your country is not at war with
is piracy and has been illegal from a date I do not know but certainly
from before 1900.
As they have attacked and indeed seized ships of flags that are not
involved in the war that I presume means they have made themselves
open to attack by other maritime nations.
From memory those rules came about because of Arabian pirates involved
in the Slave Trade. They would take the cargo and some of the crew
and passengers.
The Barbay Pirates from North Africa attacked Roman ships way back
then and into the 18th Century when the new USA sent its new navy
over to North Africa went to Morocco and told the Emir "It stops Now" !
I think it did stop, must read that up.
The US Marines hymn From the Halls of Montezuma to the Shores of Tripoli.
Celebrates that action in Nth Africa.
History echos !

What if the Israelis were the Chinese, and the Palestinians were the Ugyhur Muslims?

If the story was Ugyhur Muslims rising up against Chinese Communist 'aggression'
'Crimes against humanity'; the whole narrative, in Gaza it's real.
- Let's face it, the West wouldn't just be supporting it, it would be funding and conducting it.

And we'd all be talking about 'those BRAVE PERSECUTED Muslims'
- That's what the news would be telling us.

Imagine if all we've seen in Gaza in the last 3 months was the Chinese attacking the Ughurs in Xinhau instead?.
What if the Chinese had deliberately targeted 120 journalists and there was footage of innocent women and kids deliberately executed.

The collective West would be losing it's collective mind.
They'd all be supporting a charge of genocide.
Somehow or other a lot of people have been programmed to think that when Israel does it, it's somehow acceptable.
People with Christian roots that have some kind of 'loyalty to Israel or God' built into their DNA

Why should I support the existence of a state engaged in apartheid, ethnic cleansing and land theft?

Did Hitler and the NAZI's have a 'Right to Exist'?

Snap out of your programming, give me a reason why.

Everything we're told that makes a nation a 'bad actor' we see in Israel.

Bezza, I'm not sure I said religion wasn't a factor, it certainly is on both sides, but I think that if neither side were religious, Palestinians would still have a legitimate reason to fight against oppression and occupation.

Likud Party, Eretz Israel
http://twitter.com/SamParkerSenate/status/1724923789056868510
"FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA, THERE WILL ONLY BE ISRAELI SOVEREIGNTY."

'Everything that the Palestinians are accused of Israel is doing, and more...

Israel reservists left their normal day-jobs drinking coffee and eating donuts (many wont be returning to those jobs).
The West thinks it can hit people with bombs for a few weeks and they'll disperse.
Muslims: 'You came to our land, we're prepared to become martyrs, we'll fight you for a thousand years'

If you don't want Palestinians here, support the 'Right of Return'.

Dear Critic,

«Somehow or other a lot of people have been programmed to think that when Israel does it, it's somehow acceptable.»

Obviously not: had Israel been doing so (genocide, etc.) then that would not be acceptable.

«People with Christian roots that have some kind of 'loyalty to Israel or God' built into their DNA»

Blind loyalty to Israel, that is - what has God to do with it and what do they even know about God?

Well yes, and their suffocating "love" harms Israel perhaps even more than the "Palestinian" hate!

«Why should I support the existence of a state engaged in apartheid, ethnic cleansing and land theft?»

That state will exist whether you support it or not, but if you like, you can help changing such policies by supporting the opposition to its government.

«'Everything that the Palestinians are accused of Israel is doing, and more...»

Simply untrue.

I am tired of listing and refuting your false accusations.

«If you don't want Palestinians here, support the 'Right of Return'.»

And you really believe that because you happen to support such 'Right', my family will just let them live in their lounge, or bedroom, or kitchen, or bathroom or take a child's room?

None of their grand-grand-grand-parents' villages and homes still stand. Over them were long ago built freeways, hospitals, railways, industrial complexes and more, yes new residential buildings and green nature reserves too.

I rather have them in Australia:
When the Chinese come, they will make good fighters!