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Jordan PLO & Hamas revise Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine Plan : Comments
By David Singer, published 11/1/2023The Saudi Plan calls for Jordan, Gaza and part of Judea and Samaria (West Bank) to be merged into one territorial entity to be called the Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine.
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Posted by Maverick, Friday, 13 January 2023 7:02:08 AM
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#Maverick
Stick to commenting on the content of my article. So what do you reckon about Jordan, the PLO and Hamas agreeing on anything - for the first time ever to my knowledge - especially something as revolutionary and ground breaking as their agreement to the creation of the Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine that will be ruled by the Hashemites? Do you think the talks underway right now between Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Saudi Crown Prince and Prime Minister Mohammad Bin Salman will be able to agree on the steps necessary to successfully implement this plan? Give us your expert analysis ... all your mates who regularly pillory me have apparently run for cover. They are welcome to return and give me their opinions on this amazing development that could see the end of 100 years of conflict. Posted by david singer, Friday, 13 January 2023 3:33:55 PM
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Looks like the sequel to "Arabian War Games" by the fiction author, Ali Shihabi, is about to be published: could be a good read, but fiction is still fiction!
http://alishihabi.com/books/ Searching for non-fictional information about any recent changes to Shihabi's scheme against Israel and Jordan, the article contains not a single reference and google only picked up articles by... David Singer and in websites controlled by him. Searching for somewhat older information about the original scheme, uncovered the following: http://www.memri.org/reports/angry-responses-social-media-and-arab-press-article-saudi-journalist-ali-al-shihabi-calling Some quotes from there: "Jordanian Press: Jordan Is Neither Palestine Nor A Punching Bag – Stop Promoting Plots At Our Expense" "Both the state and non-state Jordanian press published articles attacking Al-Shihabi's piece. For example, on June 13, 2022 the government daily Al-Rai published an article titled "Jordan Is Not Palestine, There's No Substitute for an End to the Israeli Occupation,"" "Shehadeh Abu Baqer, a former advisor to the speaker of parliament, wrote in his column in Al-Rai on June 13 that this was a plot against Jordan and the Palestinians, and hinted that those responsible for it were conspirators and traitors." "We want everyone to know that Jordan is not a punching bag, nor is it the soft underbelly that can be ruptured by [paying] billions [of dollars]" "Allah preserve our Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan from the hastiness and deviousness of all fools" "the Saudi 'Ali Al-Shihabi [apparently a reference to Saudi Crown Prince Muhammad bin Salman] – understands that actualizing the process of settling the Palestinians in the Jordanians' homeland, instead of the Jordanians [themselves], cannot be done without [first] taking steps to advance it, such as impoverishing the Jordanians and even starving them, and reviving the civil war between the Jordanian landowners and the Jordanians of Palestinian [descent]." "Another figure who addressed the issue was Jordanian former foreign minister Marwan Al-Mu'asher, in an article titled "The Solution to the Israeli Crisis At Jordan's Expense,"" While the Saudis care only for their own interests and may not shed a tear, the fall of Jordan cannot be a good thing, but would surely herald the fall of Israel too. Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 13 January 2023 6:13:24 PM
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#Yuyutsu:
You are quoting ancient history mate - trying to muddy the waters - as did your mate #Maverick. I know how shocked you must be on learning that the original Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine plan published on 8 June 2022 has been revised in a further document that appears to contain substantial changes agreed to by Jordan, the PLO and Hamas. Many of those people you quoted will still object. You can't please everyone. What is important is that King Abdullah, Mahmoud Abbas and Ismail Haniyeh have not objected to the Saudi Solution since its publication eight months ago - a point I have been making throughout that period. This revision of the original document provides the reason for their silence. You should be cheering that there appears to be a possibility that this Saudi plan may successfully be implemented to end 100 years of conflict between Arabs and Jews. Are you cheering or sneering? Why don't you answer the following two unanswered questions I asked #Maverick: 1. So what do you reckon about Jordan, the PLO and Hamas agreeing on anything - for the first time ever to my knowledge - especially something as revolutionary and ground breaking as their agreement to the creation of the Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine that will be ruled by the Hashemites? 2. Do you think the talks underway right now between Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Saudi Crown Prince and Prime Minister Mohammad Bin Salman will be able to agree on the steps necessary to successfully implement this plan? Posted by david singer, Friday, 13 January 2023 10:38:00 PM
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Dear David,
«trying to muddy the waters - as did your mate #Maverick» Maverick is not my mate. In fact, I recommended to the editor to delete his post for being completely off topic. I may just mention that your baseless and ridiculously-repetitive articles, act as an invitation to post here all sorts of anti-Semite and anti-Israel comments. If indeed you are a Jew, then your laughable incompetent articles cause much damage to your people. «Are you cheering or sneering?» Of course I would be sneering had this been true, since that would spell the end of Israel, including of my family-members who live there, who would then be killed, tortured and raped by the Russians just as they presently do to the Ukrainians in their occupied territories. Please excuse me if ending your "100-years-of-conflict" at the cost of finishing Israel off, is not my cup of tea! Fortunately, I searched the internet as best I could and the only references to that "revision" were by David Singer and associated websites. Had that nightmare existed anywhere in the real world, then surely I could find some HTTP references to it in your article! Your questions: 1. I reckon that is fake news. 2. Regretfully, I cannot predict anything when it comes to Netanyahu. For the sake of keeping out of jail (on corruption charges), since taking over he already acceded to his new political partners' unreasonable demands to destroy Israel's legal system and Israel's police, split and undermine Israel's army and act against established health advice. I am sadly convinced that if he was offered by the Saudis to have Israel completely destroyed (by the combined forces of Iranian and Russian troops) in return for a "get out of jail" ticket, then he would unhesitatingly agree too. So yes, this could indeed be happening right now under our noses, I pray it doesn't. Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 15 January 2023 12:31:52 AM
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#Yuyutsu
The"revision" is certainly not "fake news". The existence of Version 1 of this Saudi-based Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine solution has been totally ignored by the United Nations and the international media - headed by the New York Times, Washington Post, Guardian, Sydney Morning Herald and the Australian since it was first published on 8 June 2022. Trash it if they wanted to - but attempting to bury a solution that shreds the 1992 Arab Peace Initiative, the 1993 Oslo Accords and the 2016 UN resolution 2334 is surely newsworthy enough to justify writing about. That they didn't beggars belief. No acknowledgment of the solution - no analysis or op-eds by any of them - no discussion or debate in the General Assembly or the Security Council - not a peep from UN Secretary General Guterres or UN Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process and Personal Representative to the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Palestinian Authority and the Envoy of the Secretary-General to the Quartet - Tor Wennesland. A solution that could end the 100 years-old Arab-Jewish conflict is dismissed without trace as the UN and the international media continue to devote thousands of column inches to pushing the failed two-state solution that has gone nowhere in the last 30 years. How many Jews and Arabs died or were maimed or wounded in those 30 years? Isn't it fortuitous that this Saudi-based plan has emerged - whose successful implementation could end this carnage? Version 2 - exclusively revealed by me - has not been published - but the substantial amendments made to Version 1 detailed in my article should hopefully incentivise the UN and the international media to sit up and pay attention. Jordan, the PLO and Hamas endorsing the most revolutionary and game changing solution formulated in the last 100 years is big news. The UN and the international media - with the huge resources at their disposal - can certainly find the needle in the haystack that you couldn't discover. Hopefully this time round they will not bury Version 2 like they did with Version 1. Posted by david singer, Sunday, 15 January 2023 9:32:07 AM
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So what do you reckon about the sinner Perrottet being dressed in a Nazi uniform at his 21st birthday?
Noting https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jan/12/ashamed-nsw-premier-dominic-perrottet-reveals-he-wore-a-nazi-uniform-at-his-21st-birthday
"...Liberal party insiders were particularly worried about the impact of the premier’s admission on seats in Sydney’s eastern suburbs with large Jewish populations, and where the government faces teal challengers.
The independent candidate for Vaucluse, Karen Freyer, said she believed there is “no excuse” for wearing the uniform.
“As a child of a survivor of the Shoah [Holocaust], wearing a Nazi uniform is neither fun nor funny,” she said.
The former NSW Labor premier Bob Carr declared Perrottet “unelectable” following the admission.
“Will Jewish leadership insist on his resignation? They should,” he said on social media. “The memory of six million demands it. He must go.”
The NSW Jewish Board of Deputies’ president, David Ossip, and its chief executive, Darren Bark, said they hoped the premier’s mistake would serve as a “lesson to all”.
“We appreciate that the premier personally reached out to the Jewish community this afternoon to express his deep and sincere regret about his poor choice of costume as a young man,” they said in a statement.
“This incident, no matter how old, is a reminder of the need to continually educate all Australians – and particularly our youth – about the abhorrent nature of the Nazi regime and the evil perpetrated in service of the Nazi ideology.”..."