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Jordan PLO & Hamas revise Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine Plan : Comments

By David Singer, published 11/1/2023

The Saudi Plan calls for Jordan, Gaza and part of Judea and Samaria (West Bank) to be merged into one territorial entity to be called the Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine.

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Hi David

So what do you reckon about the sinner Perrottet being dressed in a Nazi uniform at his 21st birthday?

Noting https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jan/12/ashamed-nsw-premier-dominic-perrottet-reveals-he-wore-a-nazi-uniform-at-his-21st-birthday

"...Liberal party insiders were particularly worried about the impact of the premier’s admission on seats in Sydney’s eastern suburbs with large Jewish populations, and where the government faces teal challengers.

The independent candidate for Vaucluse, Karen Freyer, said she believed there is “no excuse” for wearing the uniform.

“As a child of a survivor of the Shoah [Holocaust], wearing a Nazi uniform is neither fun nor funny,” she said.

The former NSW Labor premier Bob Carr declared Perrottet “unelectable” following the admission.

“Will Jewish leadership insist on his resignation? They should,” he said on social media. “The memory of six million demands it. He must go.”

The NSW Jewish Board of Deputies’ president, David Ossip, and its chief executive, Darren Bark, said they hoped the premier’s mistake would serve as a “lesson to all”.

“We appreciate that the premier personally reached out to the Jewish community this afternoon to express his deep and sincere regret about his poor choice of costume as a young man,” they said in a statement.

“This incident, no matter how old, is a reminder of the need to continually educate all Australians – and particularly our youth – about the abhorrent nature of the Nazi regime and the evil perpetrated in service of the Nazi ideology.”..."
Posted by Maverick, Friday, 13 January 2023 7:02:08 AM
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#Maverick

Stick to commenting on the content of my article.

So what do you reckon about Jordan, the PLO and Hamas agreeing on anything - for the first time ever to my knowledge - especially something as revolutionary and ground breaking as their agreement to the creation of the Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine that will be ruled by the Hashemites?

Do you think the talks underway right now between Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Saudi Crown Prince and Prime Minister Mohammad Bin Salman will be able to agree on the steps necessary to successfully implement this plan?

Give us your expert analysis ... all your mates who regularly pillory me have apparently run for cover. They are welcome to return and give me their opinions on this amazing development that could see the end of 100 years of conflict.
Posted by david singer, Friday, 13 January 2023 3:33:55 PM
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Looks like the sequel to "Arabian War Games" by the fiction author, Ali Shihabi, is about to be published: could be a good read, but fiction is still fiction!
http://alishihabi.com/books/

Searching for non-fictional information about any recent changes to Shihabi's scheme against Israel and Jordan, the article contains not a single reference and google only picked up articles by... David Singer and in websites controlled by him.

Searching for somewhat older information about the original scheme, uncovered the following: http://www.memri.org/reports/angry-responses-social-media-and-arab-press-article-saudi-journalist-ali-al-shihabi-calling

Some quotes from there:

"Jordanian Press: Jordan Is Neither Palestine Nor A Punching Bag – Stop Promoting Plots At Our Expense"

"Both the state and non-state Jordanian press published articles attacking Al-Shihabi's piece. For example, on June 13, 2022 the government daily Al-Rai published an article titled "Jordan Is Not Palestine, There's No Substitute for an End to the Israeli Occupation,""

"Shehadeh Abu Baqer, a former advisor to the speaker of parliament, wrote in his column in Al-Rai on June 13 that this was a plot against Jordan and the Palestinians, and hinted that those responsible for it were conspirators and traitors."

"We want everyone to know that Jordan is not a punching bag, nor is it the soft underbelly that can be ruptured by [paying] billions [of dollars]"

"Allah preserve our Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan from the hastiness and deviousness of all fools"

"the Saudi 'Ali Al-Shihabi [apparently a reference to Saudi Crown Prince Muhammad bin Salman] – understands that actualizing the process of settling the Palestinians in the Jordanians' homeland, instead of the Jordanians [themselves], cannot be done without [first] taking steps to advance it, such as impoverishing the Jordanians and even starving them, and reviving the civil war between the Jordanian landowners and the Jordanians of Palestinian [descent]."

"Another figure who addressed the issue was Jordanian former foreign minister Marwan Al-Mu'asher, in an article titled "The Solution to the Israeli Crisis At Jordan's Expense,""

While the Saudis care only for their own interests and may not shed a tear, the fall of Jordan cannot be a good thing, but would surely herald the fall of Israel too.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 13 January 2023 6:13:24 PM
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#Yuyutsu:

You are quoting ancient history mate - trying to muddy the waters - as did your mate #Maverick.

I know how shocked you must be on learning that the original Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine plan published on 8 June 2022 has been revised in a further document that appears to contain substantial changes agreed to by Jordan, the PLO and Hamas. Many of those people you quoted will still object. You can't please everyone. What is important is that King Abdullah, Mahmoud Abbas and Ismail Haniyeh have not objected to the Saudi Solution since its publication eight months ago - a point I have been making throughout that period. This revision of the original document provides the reason for their silence.

You should be cheering that there appears to be a possibility that this Saudi plan may successfully be implemented to end 100 years of conflict between Arabs and Jews. Are you cheering or sneering?

Why don't you answer the following two unanswered questions I asked #Maverick:

1. So what do you reckon about Jordan, the PLO and Hamas agreeing on anything - for the first time ever to my knowledge - especially something as revolutionary and ground breaking as their agreement to the creation of the Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine that will be ruled by the Hashemites?

2. Do you think the talks underway right now between Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Saudi Crown Prince and Prime Minister Mohammad Bin Salman will be able to agree on the steps necessary to successfully implement this plan?
Posted by david singer, Friday, 13 January 2023 10:38:00 PM
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Dear David,

«trying to muddy the waters - as did your mate #Maverick»

Maverick is not my mate. In fact, I recommended to the editor to delete his post for being completely off topic.

I may just mention that your baseless and ridiculously-repetitive articles, act as an invitation to post here all sorts of anti-Semite and anti-Israel comments. If indeed you are a Jew, then your laughable incompetent articles cause much damage to your people.

«Are you cheering or sneering?»

Of course I would be sneering had this been true, since that would spell the end of Israel, including of my family-members who live there, who would then be killed, tortured and raped by the Russians just as they presently do to the Ukrainians in their occupied territories. Please excuse me if ending your "100-years-of-conflict" at the cost of finishing Israel off, is not my cup of tea!

Fortunately, I searched the internet as best I could and the only references to that "revision" were by David Singer and associated websites. Had that nightmare existed anywhere in the real world, then surely I could find some HTTP references to it in your article!

Your questions:

1. I reckon that is fake news.

2. Regretfully, I cannot predict anything when it comes to Netanyahu.
For the sake of keeping out of jail (on corruption charges), since taking over he already acceded to his new political partners' unreasonable demands to destroy Israel's legal system and Israel's police, split and undermine Israel's army and act against established health advice. I am sadly convinced that if he was offered by the Saudis to have Israel completely destroyed (by the combined forces of Iranian and Russian troops) in return for a "get out of jail" ticket, then he would unhesitatingly agree too. So yes, this could indeed be happening right now under our noses, I pray it doesn't.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 15 January 2023 12:31:52 AM
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#Yuyutsu

The"revision" is certainly not "fake news".

The existence of Version 1 of this Saudi-based Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine solution has been totally ignored by the United Nations and the international media - headed by the New York Times, Washington Post, Guardian, Sydney Morning Herald and the Australian since it was first published on 8 June 2022.

Trash it if they wanted to - but attempting to bury a solution that shreds the 1992 Arab Peace Initiative, the 1993 Oslo Accords and the 2016 UN resolution 2334 is surely newsworthy enough to justify writing about. That they didn't beggars belief.

No acknowledgment of the solution - no analysis or op-eds by any of them - no discussion or debate in the General Assembly or the Security Council - not a peep from UN Secretary General Guterres or UN Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process and Personal Representative to the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Palestinian Authority and the Envoy of the Secretary-General to the Quartet - Tor Wennesland.

A solution that could end the 100 years-old Arab-Jewish conflict is dismissed without trace as the UN and the international media continue to devote thousands of column inches to pushing the failed two-state solution that has gone nowhere in the last 30 years. How many Jews and Arabs died or were maimed or wounded in those 30 years? Isn't it fortuitous that this Saudi-based plan has emerged - whose successful implementation could end this carnage?

Version 2 - exclusively revealed by me - has not been published - but the substantial amendments made to Version 1 detailed in my article should hopefully incentivise the UN and the international media to sit up and pay attention.

Jordan, the PLO and Hamas endorsing the most revolutionary and game changing solution formulated in the last 100 years is big news.

The UN and the international media - with the huge resources at their disposal - can certainly find the needle in the haystack that you couldn't discover.

Hopefully this time round they will not bury Version 2 like they did with Version 1.
Posted by david singer, Sunday, 15 January 2023 9:32:07 AM
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Dear David,

The existence of Version 1 was never contested.

That almost no one ever acknowledged that plan ("solution" as you call it), just shows that any reasonable person can immediately see through it, how awful, ridiculous and unviable it is, and then gives it no further thought, so ridiculous that it is not even worth objecting to, so ridiculous that one does not believe that it was presented seriously in the first place rather than in jest.

As for Version 2, you say that it was exclusively revealed to you and I trust your sincerity in believing that this occurred while you were awake. Anyway, next time you see him, please say hello for me to Archangel Gabriel.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 15 January 2023 12:38:02 PM
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#Yuyutsu

You state: "That almost no one ever acknowledged that plan ("solution" as you call it), just shows that any reasonable person can immediately see through it, how awful, ridiculous and unviable it is, and then gives it no further thought, so ridiculous that it is not even worth objecting to, so ridiculous that one does not believe that it was presented seriously in the first place rather than in jest."

You shoot yourself in the foot yet once again:
1. A plan emanating from Saudi Arabia overruling Saudi foreign policy for the last 20 years is very serious and certainly not made in jest.
2. Jordan, the PLO and Hamas took it seriously enough to seemingly agree to revisions of it. I think this would be the first time these three front line players ever agreed on anything.

Still unanswered - if the plan was awful, ridiculous and unviable why didn't Guterres, Wennesland, one media outlet, analyst or think tank say so? Trash it - but trying to bury it without a trace so no one has any inkling it even exists - leads to making certain conclusions that are not very flattering of the UN or the media.

The UN and the international media sure have some answering to do. Any of them trying to publish their opinions of what should happen from now on and not factoring in Versions 1 and 2 of the Saudi solution will have their opinions challenged by me as being deeply flawed.

They better get their act together. A new era has emerged in which the two-state solution has now been buried and the Saudi-Jordan-PLO-Hamas solution has replaced it. Implementing that solution in negotiations with Israel is now the key to ending 100 years of conflict.

Israel and Saudi Arabia are already engaged in under the radar discussions and you can bet your last dollar this solution is on the agenda.

You - and all OLO readers - should be praying for these negotiations to succeed.
Posted by david singer, Sunday, 15 January 2023 2:54:52 PM
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#Yuyutsu

As a completely ON-TOPIC comment:

You're wasting your keyboard typing time Yuyutsu.

David's rather narrow campaign, an endless attempt of the Jewish Diaspora to alter the Middle East, against Isreal's and its neighbours' wishes

will never change.

It takes someone who can harness superpower pressure, like Jared Kushner, to make a difference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Kushner#Middle_East_peace_plan_and_Abraham_Accords

Cheers Mavs
Posted by Maverick, Sunday, 15 January 2023 3:17:03 PM
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Dear David,

«1. A plan emanating from Saudi Arabia overruling Saudi foreign policy for the last 20 years is very serious and certainly not made in jest.»

So there's this one guy, best known as a fiction-writer, coming from the desert to speak nonsense (which indeed happens to differ from his government's position) - what's the big deal?

The world naturally reacted to Shihabi with impatience, like Achish, the Philistine king: "Am I so short of madmen that you have to bring this fellow here to carry on like this in front of me? Must this man come into my house?” [1 Samuel 21:15]

«2. Jordan, the PLO and Hamas took it seriously enough to seemingly agree to revisions of it.»

That's what YOU claim. No evidence to it from any other source!

«if the plan was awful, ridiculous and unviable why didn't Guterres, Wennesland, one media outlet, analyst or think tank say so?»

Because they had better things to do in life!

«but trying to bury it without a trace so no one has any inkling it even exists»

Any evidence they buried anything? They just considered their time more precious and moved on.

«Any of them trying to publish their opinions of what should happen from now on and not factoring in Versions 1 and 2 of the Saudi solution will have their opinions challenged by me as being deeply flawed.»

Thus said the ant to the elephant, then lo and behold, the elephant didn't turn back to squash the ant... he must have been so afraid...

«Implementing that solution in negotiations with Israel is now the key to ending 100 years of conflict.»

Indeed, with Israel gone so would that conflict.

Strangely I rather have Israel live, and that conflict continue...

«Israel and Saudi Arabia are already engaged in under the radar discussions and you can bet your last dollar this solution is on the agenda.»

Neither of us have a clue of what they discuss, but yes, Netanyahu is one who is capable of selling his mother at the fish-market and his soul to the devil.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 15 January 2023 4:28:53 PM
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#Maverick

Kushner certainly tried to make a difference - but the 2020 Trump Peace Plan has also been trashed by the 2022 Saudi-based Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine solution (HKOPS).

Your advice to #Yuyutsu is welcome. Hope he takes it.

Rest assured my "narrow campaign" (your words) to end 100 years of conflict between Jews and Arabs will continue.

Still waiting to hear your opinion on Versions 1 and 2 of HKOPS. You might let me know if there has ever been a better plan produced by anyone - anywhere - for resolving the conflict
Posted by david singer, Monday, 16 January 2023 2:15:17 PM
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#Yuyutsu

You shoot yourself in the foot once again - displaying no understanding at all of the importance of the Saudi solution.

You claim that the author of the plan Ali Shihabi is "one guy, best known as a fiction-writer, coming from the desert to speak nonsense (which indeed happens to differ from his government's position) - what's the big deal?"

The big deal is that Shihabi is a close confidant of Saudi Crown Prince and Prime Minister - Mohammed Bin Salman (MBS) - and a member of MBS's Advisory Board on the development of Neom - a US$500 billion megacity the size of Israel being presently constructed in north- west Saudi Arabia. Why would MBS have a " a fiction-writer, coming from the desert to speak nonsense" advising him on such a massive project?

Yes - you got one thing right: The plan trashes Saudi Arabia's position held since 2002. Do you know what happens to Saudis who criticise Saudi policy without Government permission? Google "Jamal Khashoggi" to find out.

You really would do yourself a favour if you took #Maverick's advice:
"You're wasting your keyboard typing time Yuyutsu."

Your time wasted in posting lengthy nonsensical comments lacking in facts and perspective would be better used looking for the needle in the haystack - Version 2 of the Saudi solution. If you are stupid enough to keep challenging my assertion that a later revised version of the Saudi plan exists - do so at your peril. You will only look more stupid than you are already when you find the needle. If you spend enough time - you will be the second person in the world after me to have found it. We can share the winners podium with the third person who finds it.

Please let me address you in terms similar to the words of Achish, the Philistine king whom you quoted: "Am I so short of madmen that you have to bring this fellow #Yuyutsu here to carry on like this in front of me? Must this man #Yuyutsu come into my house?”

Go needle-searching #Yuyutsu...
Posted by david singer, Monday, 16 January 2023 3:20:22 PM
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Dear David,

Shihabi may be an important person internally in his country, but as far as other countries or the United Nations go, he is just a private person. Had he been saying anything of sense then maybe, maybe, maybe, 1% chance that any high-level officials would take note, but once they heard him talk such nonsense, assuming it was even brought to their attention and they bothered to listen, they would not be amused and surely turn right back to their normal business without a comment.

Should the same come instead directly from Bin Salman, or in the least from his official spokesperson, then I would expect them to respond, telling him politely or otherwise that he is an idiot.

«If you spend enough time - you will be the second person in the world after me to have found it.»

What a privilege to be second person in the whole wide world to see the Emperor's new clothes - which only wise people can see... not even Shihabi himself knows about it, only David Singer!

There is nothing to search for because "version 2" does not exist.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 16 January 2023 8:14:32 PM
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#Yuyutsu

Your frothing at the mouth serves to earn you another Achishian rebuke:
"Am I so short of madmen that you have to bring this fellow #Yuyutsu here to carry on like this in front of me? Must this man #Yuyutsu come into my house?”

I withdraw my offer to share the podium with you even if you find Version 2 of the Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine solution before anyone else does.

Game, set and match.
Posted by david singer, Monday, 16 January 2023 10:27:39 PM
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Dear David,

«even if you find Version 2 of the Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine solution before anyone else does»

Wow, so this Shihabi fellow wrote not only fiction books but also computer games!

Reminds me of this Patrick Rothfuss, who also started writing fiction books, but then got distracted with writing computer games and never completed the third book of his trilogy, "The Doors of Stone", leaving his readers in anguish without any consolation or solution for the brutal murders of the hero's family in the first book.

Seems that you have not solved it yet either!

How much does this "Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine" game cost?

- The State of Israel and the lives of all its people!

... sorry mate, too expensive, I cannot afford that price!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 16 January 2023 11:56:36 PM
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"Today (Monday, 2 Jan. 2023), the Israeli District Coordination and Liaison Office (DCO) notified the Palestinian DCO that in the coming days, about 1,000 Palestinians from Masafer Yatta whose land was designated “Firing Zone 918” will receive notices to evict their homes. The Israeli DCO added that the state plans to offer the residents an alternative location, to which they will be expelled.

B’Tselem responded: “Forcible transfer of protected persons in occupied territory is a war crime. Therefore, the Israeli ‘offer’ of an alternative is meaningless. It is a violent threat that leaves the residents with no choice.”

Israel’s notice that it intends to carry out the expulsion follows years in which the state took various measures to make the residents’ lives intolerable, driving them to leave their homes ostensibly of their own free will. Among other things, Israel prohibited these communities from hooking up to power and water grids or constructing homes and public buildings, restricted their movement and enabled soldiers and settlers to threaten their lives and property on a daily basis."

http://www.btselem.org/press_releases/20230102_fast_tracked_war_crime_israel_informs_palestinians_from_masafer_yatta_of_imminent_expulsion
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 17 January 2023 12:14:54 AM
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Dear SteeleRedux,

Care to explain the connection, if any, between your damning report of Netanyahu's new government and this article which describes the fantastical revelations of Archangel Gabriel to the author?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 17 January 2023 7:39:01 AM
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