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Should NATO enter the Russian-Ukrainian fray? : Comments

By Alon Ben-Meir, published 25/3/2022

It is hard to describe the excruciatingly painful destruction Putin is inflicting on Ukraine.

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Ahhh ttbn

I knew two things about you that you've now proved

1. Your boast about your grand knowledge of Russian and Ukrainian culture was an idle boast.
You are totally ignorant of that subject.

2. You've exposed a complete ignorance of tha Australian / SE Asian geography and political history.

If you did you'd understand exactly why it is impossible for China to invade Australia.

It's the same reasons the Russians failed in their attempt to take,Kyiv, decapitate the Leadership and steamroll through the rest of the Ukraine.

Simply the LOGISTICIAL organisation is impossible. The Russian because of incompetence and determined opposition. The Chinese because of distance and determined and organised opposition. That is our history. The Chinese cannot even take Taiwan. It's logistically impossible. There are too few landing sites on Taiwan's coast.

So keep bleating.

ps Russia is now claiming its first objectives in Ukraine have been met and now it is turning to its second; The Dondas Region.

What a joke.
Posted by imajulianutter, Saturday, 26 March 2022 9:39:02 PM
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Regarding the claim above about the Russians failing to take Kyiv, I doubt they intended to. Remember the reason for the military action is to help the people of the Donbass region of Eastern Ukraine who declared themselves independent in 2014 get rid of Ukrainians who have been trying to retake the area by force with continued artillery and rocket bombardment and obviously planned a blitz type attack soon. The Ukrainian military have been well "dug in" in about half of the territory claimed by republics of Donetsk and Lugansk. As well as helping local defender militias, from the start Russian military has engaged in destroying targets with military significance elsewhere in Ukraine. Largely to greatly reduce the backup support for troops in Donbass and also keep a lot around Kyiv to defend it. Ukraine now has lost its Navy and most offensive air force capability from Russian action. Troops on the ground have been largely divided into chunks with often limited capacity to help each other. Then are easier to defeat or more inclined to surrender when they run short of food, fuel and ammo. Looks to me that Russians want to keep up military action until threats to Donetsk and Lugansk are permanently stopped and probably they control all the coastal districts from Crimea to Romania, which seems largely ethnic Russian sympathetic. May take some time to flush out Azov regiment neo Nazi Ukrainian types there in cities especially. Would be a land link to Transnistria, a strip in Moldova along Ukrainian border which is largely ethnic Russian and claims independence. Peacekeeping forces have been long been present since a civil war in the area. Note news about Mariupol recently where the treacherous Azov battalion elements have used civilians as human shields. Seems to me one way the present Russian Federation is different from the former Soviet Union is it does not want to rule territories where local people do not want it to. Enough of a challenge keeping the RF with all its ethnic groups together.
Posted by mox, Saturday, 26 March 2022 11:23:32 PM
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Mox

Seven generals out of twenty killed. RF acknowledges one. Why? No updates on troops killed for several weeks either. As Putin suggests the place is full of Nazis, gays and drug addicts, wouldn't reporting the number of soldiers killed suggest that the Russian army is finding plenty of the above given the resistance? Also, what of the 400,000 plus Ukranians forcibly expatriated to Russia?

Russia should be a technically advanced and wealthy nation. It could be if it embraced democracy. Instead it is a paranoid backwater run by gangsters subjugating the population with lies and terror. The Ukranian army has 200,000 in training and a supply of advanced weaponry. With more troops they will have the capacity to drive the Russian army out of Ukraine, including the Russian puppet regimes. With the sanctions, RF cannot make more tanks and weapons, nor can it repair them. It can make dumb bombs which it uses indiscriminately on the Ukranians. Like the ex-communist nations of Western Europe, no-one wants these murderous thugs back.
Posted by Fester, Sunday, 27 March 2022 4:40:36 AM
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Mox,

It must be upsetting for you to see your beloved Russian army getting its arse so badly whipped. The main offensive against Kyiv has been defeated and is now being driven out of the surroundings leaving behind 1000s of dead Russians and abandoned and destroyed tanks etc. Russia has also lost several ships and is now losing control of the only city Russia has taken i.e. Kherson with the risk of having its most western forces encircled.

Russia's claims that its focus was on the Donbas region is only because all its other objectives are abject failures.
Posted by shadowminister, Sunday, 27 March 2022 6:21:52 AM
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Should Ukraine fall, God forbid, then Xi is not going to say as Mox might be hoping: "Oh, this Mox is our friend, he always supported us so let us make him a minister in Australia's new puppet government". Rather he would ask: "Is this Mox fit and able - then let him dig for us in Australia's outback mines till he drops of hunger and exhaustion, otherwise by Confucian lore his only possible use is to be broken up into spare organs for our elderly Hun Chinese".
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 27 March 2022 9:21:23 AM
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I don't see what I have said should inspire personal abuse. I believe, the best way to curb Russian aggression is to stop funding it through our fuel purchases. And that needs a brand new mindset in Canberra!

We need to divorce ourselves from all the energy barons and their mates in Canberra! That will clear the way for alternatives to be actually considered. Most transport can be reconfigured to run on CNG. i.e., Methane.

Methane can be produced by the fermentation of all biological waste/sewerage. Or by extracting it from coal and then stripping the impurities like tar and ammonia, both of which could be also recovered given their commercial value!

Then we could use arid interior land and pumped effluent to grow farmed algae, using land with no agricultural value! and done on a large enough scale, produce ready to use as is, diesel that would retail at around 44 cents a litre!

Then there's hydrogen and easily extracted from seawater Using the ultra low cost water molecule cracking as the production paradigm. And then liquified, replace petrol, albeit, slightly larger tanks would be needed to allow current range to continue.

And should we go down this track, find huge markets overseas worth possible annual trillions! As the world seeks to end any future reliance on any Russian oil or gas!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 27 March 2022 10:00:03 AM
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