You see I thought you were mad because I said Israel was a 'terrorist government'.
- I probably should've called the 'terrorist regime'. since you lose the legitimacy of being called a government when you attack the media, and I think blowing up that building covers that.

You see Menachen Begin was an active participant in the King David Hotel bombing back when this crap all started, and he also was a founder of the Likud Party.

So there you have it.
I can say that 'based on merit'
The modern state of Israel was founded on terrorism, and the current ruling political party was founded by terrorists.

And all we've gotten is 70+ years of endless killings to show for it.
- What a great success the modern state of Israel is, what a blessing to humanity
Pffttt.

- This crap's gone on for generations and there's little chance of it ending anytime soon.

For the ignoramus SR

https://opil.ouplaw.com/view/10.1093/law:epil/9780199231690/law-9780199231690-e252

"Blockade, in the ordinary sense, is purely an act of war. It means the closing of an enemy's ports, and the capture of all vessels, neutral or hostile, attempting to enter with knowledge of the blockade. It enables a belligerent to seize vessels on the high seas bound for a blockaded port."

Egypt blockading Israel's port was a pure act of war by Egypt which triggered the pre-emptive strike by Israel.

That since 1948 Israel Egypt Syria and Jordan were technically in a state of ceasefire and still technically at war, your claim that Israel started the 1967 war is pure bollocks.

Shadowminister,

Great, glad we got that sorted.

Therefore, I'm sure you will agree, the Iraeli blockade of the Port of Gaza is also a pure act of war, fully justifying an armed response by the Gazan people.

Absolutely correct, Shadowminister. Egypt started the war with Israel in 1967 when it blockaded the Israeli port of Eilat. A blockade is an act of war.

As for the rest of Steeelie's characteristically ignorant rant.

1. How is it that when Israelis seeked self determination in 1956 that is utterly wrong, but when people calling themselves "Palestinians" want the same thing it is just wonderful? Bit of a double standard there, Steelie.

2. If tomorrow, the Australian government decided to" nationalise" your house, Steelie, you might consider it an act of outright theft. By what logic do consider Britain and France attempting to retake their property stolen from them by Egypt to be wrong? Both Britain and France were both responsible for preserving Egyptian culture at the time when the Egyptians were too backward and ignorant to do it themselves. It was a Frenchman who first deciphered Egyptian hieroglyphics, allowing the Egyptians to learn about their own ancient history. It makes me wonder why specimens such as your good self are so opposed to colonialism? Any cursory look at a history book would tell you that after the Europeans left their former colonies, most of them went backwards.

3. The Yom Kippur War was an attempt by Arab nations to totally destroy Israel, you fool. If the Syrians had broken through at the Golan and the Egyptians had broken through at Sinai, do you seriously think that they intended to stop at the Israeli border?

The one thing which drives the Arab/Israeli conflicts is the total rejection of the Arab Muslim states to accept that the Jews have retaken their lands which were previously conquered by the armies of Islam. That is absolute anathema to them. Where Islam has conquored, that is Islamic land forever. Ein Reich, ein volk. And to fight against the Jews is to ensure your ticket to heaven. Which is about the only thing that Arabs can ever look forward to since their lives are so miserable. Other than, of course, gate crashing some western country to live a life that Islam can never give them

Armchair seems utterly immune to facts. He wants to believe that the building that housed Associated Press was taken down because it housed AP. And if he wants that to be true, he believes it is true.

That there is overwhelming evidence that the building also housed Hamas operatives and units of Hamas's intelligence services (such as they are!) is entirely unconcerning to people like Armchair. That that was the reason the building was taken out doesn't compute to these dills.

But the most important lesson here, that the anti-Jew brigade will assiduously not learn, is that the news services they rely on to tell them what to think, were living and working right next to Hamas operatives - and lying about it. There has been any number of incidents over the years that prove that news agencies, particularly those of the left, are prepared to lie and hide facts, in the service of the regimes they live with and often admire.

But the AC's of the world aren't interested in that. So long as they keep getting feed stories that they like and want to believe, they are happy. That its all bunkum is immaterial.

Thanks for the history lesson SR. That its about as biased a rundown of the history of the Arab-Israel conflict as I've seen is merely to be expected from the likes of SR. (I'd note that he did all that in the service of trying to get past his monumental error vis the return of the Sinai to Egypt, but we'll let that pass).

Personally, I don't get too hung up on the rights or wrongs of the various wars. Was Israel right to launch pre-emptive war in 1967? Immaterial in my view. But it was the correct move given the outcome. (Justified is different to correct). The events of 1973 when they didn't preemptively strike shows that to good effect.

Israel is in a war for its very existence. At the darkest hour during Yom Kippur Moshe Dayan declared that the Israeli state was finished. And several Islamists have pointed out that Israel can win all the wars its wants, but if it loses one, its over.

So the state is constantly battling for its very existence. That and the lives of its Jewish citizens. As such issues of right and wrong, justified and unjustified must and do run a distance second to issues of efficacy and prudence. When your neighbour wants to eradicate you, niceties aren't a top priority.

This is realpolitiks are its most raw. The existence of the Jewish state and the lives of the Jews there, is constantly in the balance. They were close to being wiped out in 1973 when they did the virtuous thing but prevailed in spectacular fashion in 1967 when they followed the prudent course.

That's the only lesson that needs to be learned there.