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African migration and what the developed world might do about it : Comments

By Guy Hallowes, published 3/5/2021

Currently the developed world's response is just to try to prevent migrants from entering their territories.

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The population in America might be "AGING" but in Australia and the UK, we are AGEING, with an 'e'. We are not ageing at the rate they are in Japan, and their very sensible little-or-no immigration is not the problem to them that it seems to be to the likes of Guy Hallowes.

Our stop the boats policy is working very well, and our island status stops any problems coming from faraway Africa. The legal African immigration has proved to be a disaster, and the nongs in Canberra appear to have got the message.

These same nongs now have to get the message about the stupidity of our "on-going and sustained population growth". Mass immigration should be regarded as a hostile act towards Australians.

The "the surge of people from Africa will continue" will not occur in Australia - it has never occurred; so, really, there is no point in this novelist talking about it.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 3 May 2021 8:56:03 AM
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The author has hit the nail on the head! I have one additional point. Side with an African Nation giving aid and development but at the cost of taking any unwanted immigrants from us. No need for years of legal wrangling and accusations of racism send them straight to our African friends and they can help them, whilst we help that nation.
Why some of then European nations have not thought of this makes me think that some people in power are happy to see their countries impoverished and destroyed.
Posted by JBowyer, Monday, 3 May 2021 10:47:24 AM
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I am sick of people saying we are the world most successful multicultural country. We're not. Look at Canada, which has people from all sorts of backgrounds in its Parliament. We have not facilitated the full integration into our political process of people who migrated here. And our government has taken what I consider to be horrendous approaches to refugees, and now it is locking out its own citizens who are in India. So you can't even talk about good governance in this situation. Why are we so accepting of such horrors in locking out our citizens? we should be managing the Covid risk, not locking people out with harsh penalties.
Posted by countrygirl, Monday, 3 May 2021 10:57:56 AM
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I think I agree with ttbn on this topic. An inherently wealthy but corrupt Afica needs to solve its problems at home rather than export them and their conflicts to the rest of the world.

I've had my fill of migrants who come here use our generosity to get an education and maybe a profession then endlessly bitch about our non-genocidal, white-dominated societal norms, forever and a day!

Our foreign aid needs to be directed exclusively to NGOs rather than corrupt governments that turn it into bullets used against their own people!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 3 May 2021 11:18:20 AM
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The optimal maximum population for Australia - only one third of which is habitable and arable - has always been deemed to be 13 million. It is now close to 26 million, with Big Australia vandals intent on increasing the figure via mass immigration, mostly with people not in tune with our culture, because our traditional migrants are no longer interested in a country that is now not much better than their old one. Even the UK with its police state and appalling race and culture problems is no longer a big source of immigrants.

Here are some low population Western countries which are doing as well, if not better than Australia:

Belgium 11.5 million
Sweden 10.3 million
Israel 9.3 million
Austria 8.9 million
Switzerland 8.6 million
Hong Kong 7.4 million
Denmark 5.8 million
Norway 5.3 million

Size of economies, GDP figures might vary, but the populations of these countries are healthy and happy, and uninterested in moving to Australia. These days, we get only dags we don't need
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 3 May 2021 11:51:58 AM
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Again agree with ttbn. Our population numbers are not supported y our current water reserves and supplies. We need to depopulate, by natural organic means and the repatriation of hate and misdirected anger.

To make that possible we need a very different economic template that is supported by a robust and productive manufacturing industry, automation, and the world's cleanest safest cheapest energy, i.e. MSR thorium. Neither much more expensive coal nor gas would allow any of that! As we face a world that will include carbon tariffs on all non-decarbonized manufacture, processing, and value-adding!

We need to export manufactured, value-added production. not finite raw materials and massive tariff weighed farm production.

If anyone thinks a hostile China will send tourists and genuine affable students in this lifetime? They need to apply logic's rites and critical thinking to their current thought proccesses! We need them and their investments resumed/money gone, not increased or amplified!

I get that a few quislings and polly waffling pollies may accrue some financial loss/embarrassment. But a price the rest are willing to have them pay!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 3 May 2021 12:20:46 PM
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Any Western Nation would jump a mile high if they could have the opportunities that Africa offers !
It's Africa's people who need to change for their sake, not the rest of the World !
Anyone who watched the African 'Wet Markets" on SBS last night, could not help but agree !
Posted by individual, Monday, 3 May 2021 4:29:41 PM
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Race matters. There is a reason that Nigeria is as it is and Japan is as it is. It is the racial differences between the two countries. If you have enough Mexicans you will have Mexico. This can be clearly seen in some parts of England where you might be mistaken for thinking you were living in Pakistan. We need to be very careful about where we get our immigrants from lest we end up providing perpetual welfare for some and being ruled over by others. In addition we need to stop demonising ourselves and our history and our ancestors lest the people whos ancestors built this great nation become a despised and persecuted minority in their own land. Currently we teach white children to be ashamed of their people and teach non-white immigrants that we are an inherently evil society. This is not a recipe for a strong and cohesive society.
Posted by Rhys Jones, Monday, 3 May 2021 6:58:24 PM
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Our forbears were not innocent and blameless as they colonised half a world and plundered the wealth of half a world. We the unborn were not implicated in any way nor should the colour of our white, black or brindle skin determine the content of our character or our intellectual capabilities!

But with the bad, there is some good and the British brought with them the Westminister system of jurisprudence. And an inherent sense of fair play, mostly.

We cannot judge the whole on the activities of a few bad apples nor even fewer inherently evil A-holes. We did build cities and towns and a country many envy! Imperfect as we may still be as a capitalist society that predates on the poor and downtrodden as we seek more and more money and power! while dropping a few tardy crumbs along our path. Justifying it with claims that the world will always produce the poor and downtrodden? Wrong! Not everybody gets a fair go, nor opportunities to lift themselves up on their own endeavours!

In an inherently rich country, the poor and downtrodden are the product of the design or neglect of the arrogant rich as they purloin the wealth created by other hands and minds, then hoard as much of it as they're able! For them covid has revealed, so as you sow, so also will you reap! As you do unto the least among you, you also do unto me! Quote, unquote.

Perhaps when around two-thirds of the world's population are wiped out by a continually mutating pathogen? We may decide to turn back and take a more righteous and sharing path, even those owned by the deceitful coal lobby/the fossil fuel industry and totalitarian dictators?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 3 May 2021 11:02:09 PM
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Just about all wrongs in the Past were due to ignorance. Greed was & is a major player but ignorance was & is THE major player.
Many are doing everything possible but the masses of the blame brigade will sabotage their every move to make things better.
Some of those who descended from those who were exploited in the past are now the oppressors & saboteurs ruining efforts to make a better World. It's the pay-back mentality of those who have actually benefitted from colonisation but don't want to accept that benefits must be earned. To simply sit back & demand by perpetually pointing at wrongs of the past is what prevents them to progress & actually leads them to the outcome they so strongly oppose.
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 7:55:57 AM
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First up I agree almost entirely with Alan B and ttbn.
Additionally I will say;
Remember Enoch Powell !
What he said about Britain is coming true.
The British Police are now arresting Anglican preachers for reading
from the bible on a charge of Hate Speech.

As far as Africa is concerned they have had sole possession of a
continent rich in all resources. Despite this they have been incapable
of rising to the civilisational level of Europe or Asia.
It has to be assumed that they are naturally incapable of such achievement.
Their best of course can compare with the best anywhere.
By introducing large numbers of Africans a country will import the
standard of Africa. Watch the African ghettoes of Europe.
France is probably the best example. France however has made their
situation worse by introducing large numbers of African and Middle
Eastern moslems, who have been inbreeding for some thousands of years
with the expected result.
Now the French generals are threatening Civil War !

Now anyone who dislikes what I have written, which would probably get
me up before some tribunal elsewhere, but threatened here by the
Victorian government, can show me where I am wrong.
I can understand why the snowflakes will have to take a Bex and have
a nice lie down.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 11:59:53 AM
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I read the population of Africa is set to double. Along with the doubling of the population will come
the multiplying of the already corrupt, bad conditions in Africa. Africa has been receiving massive world aid for decades.
It doesn’t seem to have made any difference to the problems they always seem to have.

Do we really need all these Imported people? Causing division and conflict. What if we had to manage as an Island with
only our own resources. I think it’s just become an easy, lazy, way to make a lot of money. There was no travelling all around
the world in planes 90 years ago.

Ships took 3 months to arrive from England. And people had to spend a month in quarantine after they arrived.
There were certainly no big cruise ships. In a lot of ways it was a more peaceful way of life. People had chickens,
grew veggies and fruit trees and exchanged produce with each other.

People grew veggies on the outskirts of town and came around the streets selling them.In a truck.
It wasn’t, a make huge profits kind of society but it was not lacking in essential needs and a more laid back slower pace.
It would be interesting to see how well we could survive without importing so many people to make profits for
big business and the middlemen.

I think we would do very well with a more community based economy,once we adjusted.
Posted by CHERFUL, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 11:40:57 PM
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From my viewpoint, Africa is simply a very large PNG !
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 5 May 2021 7:14:58 AM
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I know I'll be cried down for stating this fact, but aid to the third world has simply enabled more to to survive & breed.

This means we have helped them breed to such an extent they have bread themselves to even greater misery than would have existed without that help.

Famine & disease have been the natural population control in every society, until societies developed ways of overcoming these problems. Once they started "helping" underdeveloped countries they enabled increased populations in peoples with out the ability to sustain themselves.

Unintended consequences are a bitch aren't they. No we have to protect ourselves from our creation, & control the bleeding hearts among us.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 5 May 2021 11:44:25 AM
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Hasbeen, I am afraid you are correct.
The only solution that would suit us is to prevent all immigration out
of Africa, then they could see what they want and would see how it is
done, and copy it all. Unfortunately religion will get in the way and
tell them how terrible we all are and conscript them into very pliable armies.
These armies will be sent into Europe completing Mohammad's declared
intention to conquer Rome !

This is my forecast which I will not see fortunately.
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 5 May 2021 5:05:24 PM
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This is my forecast which I will not see fortunately.
Bazz,
France is already gone, The Netherlands almost, Sweden well on it's way, you'll still see it I'm afraid !
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 5 May 2021 5:56:23 PM
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When the colonial powers were forced out of Africa post WWII they left behind a patch work continent of nations whose people were poor and uneducated, ill-equipped for self government in a modern world. Governed by colonial appointed monsters like the British sycophant, the Butch of Uganda, Idi Amin and many others. The colonials also had blood on their hands as well, for they had enslaved, exploited and murdered millions of Africans during the centuries of domination. Post the ousting of the colonial powers, Neo-Nazi white remnants of colonialisms continued to subjugate powerless black people in places like South Africa and Rhodesia, until they to were overthrown, often by monsters of equal brutality such as Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe.

Our band of red necked racists will continue to deny the truth and heartlessly blame the black man for his plight. Statements like; "aid to the third world has simply enabled more to to survive & breed" would do a Hitler proud. This is nothing more than a vailed call for the murder by deprivation of millions of people. Gee, Hasbeen have you gone quite on you previous forum call for the nuclear annihilation of 200 million innocent men, women and children in Pakistan? You have found another 200 million to starve to death, well done old man. Surprise, surprise, Hasbeen is followed up by Bazz and Individual.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 6 May 2021 5:46:40 AM
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Reading this I'm starting to think that our resident CJR is actually not that insipid, he's too stupid to be insipid !
And, even that's not his fault because he isn't thinking like this on his own, he's simply so heavily indoctrinated !
Being ultra racist doesn't go any way towards bettering his mentality either !
One sad & confused lemming indeed !
Posted by individual, Thursday, 6 May 2021 7:30:17 AM
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The colonisers got the idea of that dreadful slavery practice from the Muslims & commercialised it. However, by desiring all that the colonisers offered, the one vital factor, effort & forward planning wasn't adopted. So, having had the benefit of colonisation, the colonised rejected the idea of effort & concentrated on centuries of blame instead. This of course got them to where they're now. Starving & aimless !
I just feel extremely sad for the many decent Africans we see on News reports who deal with terrible adversity yet still follow through with trying to help their fellow citizens whilst being hampered by the stupid !
Posted by individual, Thursday, 6 May 2021 7:53:12 AM
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Pauliar,

Once again you have posted an idealogically motivated bullsh1t rant that is riddled with falsehoods.

Where do you dig up this bollocks? from 70s Pravda? or did you simply smoke a fat one and post whatever drivel resulted.

Idi Amin was not appointed, but came to power through a military coup.

Just about every african country had a far better education system in place and better infrastructure than it has presently. This is overwhelmingly due to rampant government corruption that has stolen most of the money for essential services etc.

Foreign aid used to be directly stolen, now that the aid organisations directly run their aid programs, the African governments now rely on aid to provide services and steal the little money they used to spend. The statement that aid to Africa is taking money from the poor in rich countries to give to the rich in poor countries has more than a little truth.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 6 May 2021 8:15:05 AM
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If colonisation was really that bad, why is it that all the colonised keep bleating discrimination when they can't get enough of the colonisers' commodities ? I might be misinterpreting when I see non-Caucasians living utterly lavish lifestyles but i don't seem to see their people accusing them of discrimination ?
I personally know quite a number of Australian indigenous who are way more well-off than many caucasian Australians, just from making up a quota in the Public Service !
No effort required at all !
Posted by individual, Thursday, 6 May 2021 8:34:56 AM
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The Africans are doing the colonizing now. Nearly a million of mostly fit young men just marched into Europe, and into Germany, uninvited. Throughout most of history, they would have had to come as an army, with weapons to do something like that.

Europe needs to ensure it takes the more intelligent, willing to work, and fit in migrants.
That’s just common sense. Tests really should be done to assess capability, learning skills and good character. Of course that would be cried down as racist. In reality it is just commonsense

All races and countries have done their share of overrunning other people’s land and killing off the locals, across history. That’s why, since for as long as can be remembered societies have had armies or tribal warriors at the ready, to protect their people, land and possessions. British History gets noticed because it was an empire.
Same as the Holocaust, because the Germans used gas ovens and shocked the world
with their callous efficiency.

But the Japanese killed 9 million Chinese just before WW2. Because it was more the usual run of the mill, death by sword or tank, it never gets a mention.
History, has this kind of human behaviour on every 2nd page

There are a lot of people singling out Britain whose countries are guilty also, but because their methods were less spectacular than the Germans,never get mentioned.
Posted by CHERFUL, Thursday, 6 May 2021 1:31:10 PM
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Paul as always paints everything with red paint and he must sorely
miss the Red Colonisers of Eastern Europe.

The European Colinisers to a large extent just got tired of it all
and after India became independent realised they could still make money without the hassle.
Of all the African colonies surely Sth Africa had the best prospects.
Look at it now, sliding away into the same state as Zimbabwe.
Killing the farmers to setup starvation.

Mohommad that paragon of Islam the perfect man, was a slave trader
and owner. The Arabs made a business of slavery in a big way and
raided the coast of Britain as well as southern Europe generally.
Heard of the Slavic countries ? Who do you think gave them that name ?
It is believed that about 1 million Europeans were captured by Arab slavers.

They even went as far as Iceland to capture the blonde Danish women
as they fetched premium prices.
When the Europeans started trading around Africa the Arab slave traders captured the Africans and sold them to the British traders
in the circular trade Bristol, Africa, Carabeen, America, Bristol.

The Arab slaver traders were pushed away from Europe by the US Navy
when the US Marines told the rulers in Nth Africa STOP OT ELSE !
Posted by Bazz, Thursday, 6 May 2021 3:25:03 PM
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Glad Bazz has posted about the History of the Slave trading in Africa by the Muslims.
They left a legacy of Africans who were forced to become Muslims and their ancestors today in Africa are attacking non Muslim Africans. Most of the hostilities and wars going on in different parts of Africa today, are being caused by violent Muslim groups.
Posted by CHERFUL, Thursday, 6 May 2021 6:04:30 PM
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Yes Cherful, it is forbidden for a moslem to hold another moslem as a slave.
Slaves used to convert and were then freed.
Also when slavers appeared they realised if they became moslems they
would not be captured.
There is whole stack of rules about how to treat slaves in sharia law.
Most of them are aimed at not reducing their value.
It covers such things as the children of slaves are also slaves and
are owned by their parents owner.
Because the Koran approves of holding slaves, it is legal in Islamic countries.
Posted by Bazz, Thursday, 6 May 2021 11:19:48 PM
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Seems holding Christians as slaves was not a problem for other Christians. My Great Great Grandmother was such a slave. Born on the British ruled island of Mauritius in 1824 to a 16 year old slave girl and fathered most likely by her 42 French master. My GGG was found guilty of attempted murder of her mistress at the age of 9, along with her 13 year old cousin, and sentenced to transportation for life to the colony of NSW. BTW being under the age of 16 the two girls escaped the gallows, British justice at the time.

Shonkyminister,

Idi Amin did indeed come to power through a coup in 1971, with British backing. Amin had been in the British Colonial Army, during his reign of terror the British supplied a monthly load of luxury goods such as scotch whiskey and cigars, etc to Amin for distribution to cronies and army generals to help him hold on to power. 1979 seen the overthrow of the Butcher of Uganda, in the same year the Butch of the Falklands, Margaret Thatcher came to power in Britain.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 7 May 2021 5:14:19 AM
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it's obvious some warped want us to believe that more wrongs now will eventually make the past right !
I can't see how but it certainly is argued that way !
Some used to argue here in Australia that acknowledgement of past wrongs will solve the problems of the present. So, an official apology was given, backed up by billions of Dollars worth of goods & services & generous salaried public positions provided by many through hard work & ingenuity yet we still haven't accomplished settlement of the issues.
Why not ? Because quite a number of descendants of the perpetrators will not let the truth slow down a bandwagon & cause the collapse of a rather lucrative deceit industry !
Posted by individual, Friday, 7 May 2021 11:19:34 PM
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There is a very good movie about Idi Amin. “Called the Last King Of Scotland.”

It is a true story told by a young male Doctor who was held hostage by Amin for a long time and not allowed to leave the country. Amin forced the Dr to look after his medical complaints.
The young Doctor, went to Africa with noble ideas of helping Africa who he believed had been saved from the British, now the British had left and Amin had been heralded as the salvation of Africa. A kind and wise leader.

In reality Amin had control of the news that was allowed to be printed about his administration. He was in fact a cruel, murderous dictator, but the outside world had no idea of this, for a few years, until this Doctor managed to escape and exposed the real story.

He was very lucky to escape, Amin found out he had gone and he escaped only after some very tense planning and evasion and some horrible murders of people who had helped him.

The young Doctor went over as an idealist, but learned the truth about Amin and his military regime. I recognised in the movie the part where he came home and the media were interviewing him about his claims of being held prisoner by Amin. I had seen it on the news at the time, but never really knew the story behind it until I saw the movie.

Amin was not going to let him leave the country because the people in Britain and the world had no idea of the reality of the situation in Africa.
Posted by CHERFUL, Saturday, 8 May 2021 9:15:46 PM
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Thank you Paul, for that little potted history.

Obviously you gravitate to your My Great Great Grandmother's ethnicity rather than your My Great Great Grandfathers. This explains your anti white racism so often displayed here.
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 8 May 2021 9:36:00 PM
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Pauliar,

You can't stop lying. First, you claim that Idi was colonially appointed then when called out again, you claim that he came to power with British backing which is also bollocks.

As for the British luxury goods, there is no indication that they were not purchased by Amin on the open market.

The general assumption is that anything you post is a lie.
Posted by shadowminister, Sunday, 9 May 2021 4:13:21 AM
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Au contraire my dear Hassy.

Transportation to NSW turned out to be a blessing in disguise for the GGG and indeed for her English convict Husband, who really got the equivalent of todays 'good behaviour bond' 7 years transportation, they married within their class. Interestingly the girls of the marriage had no problem marrying white European men, but the boys were destined to marry aboriginal or part aboriginal women. Fortunately my forebears did rather well, with my GGG dying in 1891 a relatively wealthy "pastoralist" in the Wellington district of NSW. The "run" they built and expanded over the years is still mostly in my families hands today.

You call me a racists or anti white, no indeed, unlike my first cousin I have no desire to obtain Aboriginal recognition. I should say without the help early on from her white mistress and husband and his father at Bathurst NSW, in obtaining her freedom from bondage, and I suspect they may have helped them financially in some way as well, very good people, the success of the above may not have been possible. My GGG and her former Mistress and family remained firm friends till the end of their lives.

What I will do Hassy is call out apologists and histories revisionists, others with wacko ideas like you on the forum when I see it. Just as I called you out for proposing the nuclear annihilation of 200 innocent men, women and children in Pakistan, and more recently your call for the stopping of aid to people in Africa which again would lead to many, many deaths. Now just who is the racists?
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 9 May 2021 8:39:20 AM
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What with shonkyminister, totally worthless Ugandan shillings? The Ugandan shilling was not even worth 20 trillion to the dollar, it had been suspended on the international currency exchange. Amin had no gold, no foreign currency and you say a monthly Jumbo Jet load of luxury goods landing in Kampala may have been purchased on the open market. You make me laugh.

At the time were you by any chance the Ugandan Finance Minister?

The story goes; The Ugandan Air Force, had but one jet fighter, two actually, but the second had been cannibalized to keep the other heap flying. Armin ordered the purchase of a fleet of new fighters! The shonky Finance Minister informed Big Dadda that the country had no money to make such a purchase. Amin ordered the FM to turn on the presses and print more money! The FM said to do so the money would still be worthless. Amin said to the FM; "Whose image is on the MONEY!"..."Yours, your Excellency." Amin; "Are you saying my image is WORTHLESS?"...Finance Minister; "I will have the printing presses turned on immediately your Excellency."
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 9 May 2021 9:06:07 AM
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Pauliar,

You have yet to show that a Jumbo jet full of luxuries was sent to Uganda and given your mendacious record I call BS on this.

Secondly, Uganda's budget even though small could easily be diverted to purchasing luxuries in Jumbo loads, the socialist North Korea buys more than that for the elite. Perhaps you were the finance minister there it has all the hallmarks of Greens incompetence. ( I was still in primary school)

Thirdly, at the time of the Israeli raid on Entebbe Uganda had about 6 new russian fighter jets (afterwards none)
Posted by shadowminister, Monday, 10 May 2021 9:39:12 AM
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shonkyminister, you are still in primary school! North Korea unlike Uganda at the time, does have an economy, small as it is, relying heavily on China for both imports and exports. In 2019 North Korea exported about $308 million in goods. Shonky, a big export of NK is fake hair, maybe that's where your man Donald got his fake hair from.

Today China is the great benefactor of North Korea, just as Britain was of Uganda back in Big Dadda's day.
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 10 May 2021 9:56:21 AM
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Australia can stand on the side lines claiming unique environment requiring low population and hence no immigration; though no one cares about what the fossil fuels, mining, agriculture, automotive/logistics, industrial and anti-renewable energy sources have done to Australia's environment, supported by the LNP and voters? (Stockholm Syndrome?).

However, with ageing populations and (quickly) declining fertility, some experts see a natural readjustment occuring by mid century then decline (Australia's permanent population much sooner with oldies/baby boomer bubble departing); Bricker & Ibbitson's 'Empty Planet' synthesises more recent and credible research on global population (and expressed issues with UNPD* analysis e.g. inflated fertility rates in India/China skewing headline data).

The issue for many nations including PRC, how to support the tax base with ageing populations and meeting labour market demand due to ageing workforces; immigration or worker mobility like between the EU nations (and Oz states).

According to Ian Goldin of the Oxford Martin Centre*, part of the solution is in Africa which will become a more significant source of immigration or at least temporary workers.

* Both have a linkage to the Rockefeller Foundation.
Posted by Andras Smith, Monday, 10 May 2021 9:01:07 PM
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Pauliar,

So you are claiming that in the 70s that Uganda had no economy?

Once again you combine idiocy with ignorance.

PS, where is your evidence of Jumbo jets full of luxuries? Just another of your lies.
Posted by shadowminister, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 4:55:17 AM
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shonkyminister,

Every society has an "economy" even those digging for roots and grubs, have an economy of sorts. Your man Big Dada had an economy, he just didn't have any money. If Uganda had cash reserves of any kind, they had been well and truly plundered by Amin and his cronies long before the jumbo jets stopped flying. Shonky I know you only have a primary school education, I think you said that, but a little reading of World History will tell you Amin's "economic" policies totally bankrupted the country. That left Britain to give supposed aid to Uganda in the form of a monthly plane load of luxury goods to help keep the butcher they were supporting in power.

"The Ugandan economy was devastated by Idi Amin's policies, including the expulsion of Asians, the nationalisation of businesses and industry, and the expansion of the public sector. The real value of salaries and wages collapsed by 90% in less than a decade."
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 6:13:08 AM
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Pauliar,

Your post combines idiocy, ignorance and outright lies. Uganda had 10m people and a fertile country and a thriving economy pre-independence. Your petty racism is showing.
Posted by shadowminister, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 5:32:25 AM
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shonkyminister,

I have not said Ugandans were not "better off" living under colonial rule, The Ugandans would have been "better off" living under Attila The Hen than Amin, he was a psychopathic killer. Its believed Big Dada murdered his third wife and cut her head off, Jesus Christ what does that tell you!

You appear to be an apologists for Amin, not because you think he was your kina guy, but because Britain without any consideration for the Ugandan people thought Amin was their kinda guy, a madman they could control, and he should be supported, they wished to exploit the country post colonialism through a proxy dictator. How wrong they were, he got out of control and run amuck!
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 7:01:35 AM
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Pauliar,

If anything, you are the apologist for Idi Amin in trying to blame his rise to power and staying in power on the British.

You have not yet been able to show any support for him at any point and I suspect you have just invented the monthly supply of goods gifted by the UK.
Posted by shadowminister, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 9:21:22 AM
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