It's been amazing to see how effectively the years of constant anti Trump propaganda has penetrated minds.
We have close personal friends from all stations who absolutely believe Trump is corrupt. We've asked them how, what's he done, and they can't tell us. After a moment of silence the usual is the Russia thing. That's it. That's all they've got.

Anyway, we'll see fairly soon what's coming from the official investigation that's going in the background.

Powell's words about any states being stupid enough to certify these results weren't without meaning.

Well Jamo, didn't Herr Goebbels have something to say about that;
"Tell a lie often enough and loud enough and they will believe it !".

Need to remember the overall system for electing the US President. It is largely based on "winner takes all" of Electoral College votes for each state based on something like the proportion of total eligible voters in each. eg California has 55 votes while Alaska has 3 out of the total of 538. Currently results from six states which are close but has been widely claimed Biden won are being disputed by Republicans due to obvious widespread electoral fraud. The mainstream media, etc, claims Biden has 306 votes to Trump's 232. However, Biden has only 227 votes without the 79 in total from states where results may change.

Are two possible ways Trump can obtain electoral votes for disputed states which Biden presently seems to have won. The first is court proceedings. However, whether they are successful in changing results depends on what evidence can be produced and proven soon enough. Also, at times predisposed preferences of judges hearing cases Note that in disputed states, the Executive including Governor and those in charge of elections and the judiciary seem largely basically Democrat supporters while the legislatures mainly have Republican majorities. it seems already legislators in Pennsylvania, where probably the most cheating has occurred have already started the process to maybe award the state's 20 electoral college votes to Trump Seems they have power to do this if for supposedly good reason. Remains to be seem what actually happens both here and in other states though. I saw an article recently that pointed out minimum combinations of winning in disputed states both Trump and Biden need to take the presidency. Included three which added to established results give a draw. Then there are 13 combinations for Trump but only 10 for Biden to get what they need of the 79 presently questionable votes to get past the winning requirement of 270. For a start. if Pennslylvania legislators support Trump. he will then be up to 252 and need minimum of 18 more. Two more states other than just both the smallest, ie Arizone and Nevada is enough for this.

Mox,

Amazing: the wishful thinking of a six-year-old: Arizona has already declared for Biden, and Pennsylvania is about to. If A. If B. ....... If Z. If ..... If ....... If ......

It's a pity that the real world doesn't bend to our wishes so easily. Never mind, there's always 2024.

Although President Harris may win that one, and the next, as she would be constitutionally allowed to stand in 2028.

So you might have to wait until 2032. Good luck !

Joe

Worth checking the latest article re the US Presidential election on www.theepochtimes.com . which is maybe the best site that is not anti Trump and has regular updates. About election computers in Detroit, Michigan being connected to the Internet.

Its pretty funny really...

People who spent 4 years mindlessly believing every cockamamie story about how the Russians stole the '16 election for the Orange Man, stories without an ounce of evidence and ultimately shown to be utterly false, but for whom lack of evidence wasn't a hindrance to deep and oft repeat assertions that the Orange Man stole the election...those same folk now suddenly decide that they need absolute smoking-gun evidence that there was electoral fraud in 2020.

Oh...and they demand that everyone else now abide their new-found need for absolute, concrete proof. We lost - the electoral system is hopelessly corrupt. We won - the electoral system is beyond reproach.

Hypocrisy reigns supreme...