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Electoral fraud revealed in Michigan : Comments

By David Singer, published 30/11/2020

The same pattern of election fraud and voter fraud writ large occurred in all the swing states with only minor variations in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona and Wisconsin.

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Electoral fraud in the US? Dear me, no! That can't be right. Loudmouth2 and the experts on the Left in Australia say that there is no fraud. Biden won fair and square. This fraud nonsense must surely be put about by white male supremacists with disgusting heretosexual tendencies.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 30 November 2020 7:48:26 AM
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Ttbn,

No proven fraud. If you have proof of fraud, present it. Otherwise bugger off. Crawl back to your bunker.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Monday, 30 November 2020 9:56:25 AM
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This is the same crap that several republican appointed Judges have thrown out of court! Because it's complete he said she said, BS. And completely without merit On notes that the man in charge of cybersecurity was recently fired by Trump.

Possibly because he was too successful? And prevented the expected Russian cyberattack on the election outcome?

One also notes the firing by Trump of half the defence policymakers in the Pentagon, which were replaced by Trump yes men!

He can't be doing a Mussolini, can he? As a last-ditch effort to hold onto power?

A coup in the land of the free, home of modern democracy? Not possible or is it?

I mean nobody expected an attack on American soil and were completely confabulated when the twin towers were raised to the ground! Why? Because to a virtual generic man they knew that that was impossible, as is a coup! And secure in the knowledge it couldn't happen, had no defence to prevent it and the subsequent loss of life!

At least one claim appears to be true. Somebody is attempting to steal the election and now claims the US mail conspired against him, that the Judicial system is completely corrupt And on and on, as he rails against his loss! And consequent possible penury? And the least of his problems?

Leave it with you. The next two months are going to be riveting and compelling viewing! You can fool some of the people all the time! Who'd have thunk?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 30 November 2020 10:29:15 AM
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STILL NO PROOF

David uses Ms Sidney Powell's fantasies as evidence for David's article.

Yet even Donald Trump was forced to SACK Sidney Powell as a lawyer for his campaign, due to her baseless homespun "evidence".

See Forbes' report of 22/23 November 2020 http://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2020/11/22/trump-campaign-cuts-ties-with-lawyer-sidney-powell-who-promoted-wild-election-fraud-conspiracy-theories/?sh=166334fc7880

"Trump Campaign Cuts Ties With Lawyer Sidney Powell Who Promoted Wild Election Fraud Conspiracy Theories"

"The Trump campaign released a statement on [22 Nov 2020] seeking to distance itself from lawyer Sidney Powell,

who has spun outlandish tales of election fraud to news organizations..."
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 30 November 2020 10:30:45 AM
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I suppose a psychologist would know at what age does a child believe that whatever they wanted to happen, should happen, otherwise a tantrum is necessary, it's all pointless, the world's against them, it's just not fair. Hence Ttbn's tantrums. And Trump's too.

The next step is to denigrate democracy itself. Individual is pretty good at that: he doesn't get his way, so he would abolish the entire democratic system and the public service and bring in a dictatorship.

Then Nathan would re-enact the election until he somehow got his way.

Fascinating how the autocratic mind works :)

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Monday, 30 November 2020 11:00:28 AM
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Executive Order on Imposing Certain Sanctions in the Event of Foreign Interference in a United States Election.

There's a lot going on in the background.
Posted by jamo, Monday, 30 November 2020 11:27:35 AM
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Whatever the left is involved in, fraud, deceit, indecency & moral bankruptcy are automatic side-kicks !
Posted by individual, Monday, 30 November 2020 11:59:14 AM
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Individual,

And you have proof of all that ?

Or is it just a spray because you didn't get your way ?

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Monday, 30 November 2020 12:16:27 PM
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loudmouth2,
There's only one "Sprayer" around here & that's you. Anyhow, who needs proof when the venomous vindictiveness of the Left is all around us & on full display 24/7.
Posted by individual, Monday, 30 November 2020 1:23:51 PM
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The only, and worst, fraud in the US of paranoia is DJT itself.
Posted by ateday, Monday, 30 November 2020 2:11:30 PM
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Individual,

Without proof = spray.

I'm puzzled by this 'end of days' scenario which so many of the ratbags on OLO seem to be banking on. Trump's gone, so who is going to bring it about now ?

Get ready for a President Biden, and then President Harris, a Black-Asian woman. Wow, that must get up all of the noses of the Unreconstructed pro-Confederacy hicks.

No. Democracy is a forever-messy, -imperfect and -unfinished business. The US has just experienced it. But it belongs to no-one in particular, insofar as it's a contest. One side blew it, the other side has the numbers this time, without fraud, corruption or Russian/Chinese interference (so it seems, in the absence of proof otherwise). Democracy will always eventually prevail over dictatorships and turd-swamps, Trump's or anybody else's. Get used to it.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Monday, 30 November 2020 2:25:06 PM
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For Gauwd sake everyone calm down. This is only the request for a hearing.
One of you complained there was no evidence !
Surely you are not that ignorant ?
The complainant side does not present their evidence until the hearing
starts.
Then they have to reveal it to the defendant's lawyers. It is called "Discovery".
I am not a lawyer, but even I know that. So don't show your ignorance.
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 30 November 2020 7:27:36 PM
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Bazz

Thank you for trying to hose down the irrational comments posted in response to my article.

The Court process will be pursued by Sidney Powell to the highest Court she can go to. She may win - she may not.

Sidney Powell has certainly provided a lot of evidence to support the Complaint - which if accepted by the Courts at any level would vindicate her decision to institute these proceedings.

She is a very impressive lawyer with a track record of great success. That said - no lawyer to my knowledge wins every case.

Calm down everyone and let the process play out. Every person is entitled to his day in Court.
Posted by david singer, Monday, 30 November 2020 8:11:15 PM
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Dear Bazza

Sidney's Michigan case will almost certainly be chucked out by the Judge as being "Without Merit".

See http://en.as.com/en/2020/11/28/latest_news/1606573043_882780.html

Sidney's multiple typos didn't help, eg. the following MegaTypo was formally tended to the Court:

“TheTCFCenterwastheonlyfacilitywithinWayneCountyauthorizedtocountthe ballots.”
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 30 November 2020 8:25:50 PM
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Well Plant, I have no idea how the typo example you used as an example
actually occurred but I have never seen anyone do a typo like that.
It takes a lot of imagination to call it a typo.
My reasonably educated guess is that the document was copied from one
software program to another different one and it did not handle spaces properly.
It may have been transmitted via data system and not by email.
That sort of error I have seen in past times.
If you want to try and put someone down get more substantial examples.
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 30 November 2020 8:53:44 PM
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Plant here is one complaint that should be easy to explore.
Were at Least 40,000 “Excess Voters” in Wayne County and At Least
46,000 in Oakland County

If that says what I "think" it means, 40,000 more people voted than
there are on the voters role.
Now any court should be able to ascertain that very quickly.
However I am looking at it from an Australian perspective.
The US seems to be somewhat of a shambles that you even get to such a point of argument.
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 30 November 2020 9:07:56 PM
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Hi Bazza

Its up to the Michigan court (with much more info) to judge on any valid Wayne county case rather than we Aussies.

Cheers
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 30 November 2020 9:56:36 PM
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#plantaganet

The article you cited - http://en.as.com/en/2020/11/28/latest_news/1606573043_882780.html -
makes this claim
"Sidney Powell is again the star of the show in the latest attempt to disenfranchise thousands of voters in Michigan. The case (King v. Whitmer, 20-cv-13134, US District Court, Eastern District of Michigan) was filed Wednesday and involves similar claims to those presented in Georgia detailed above. Frankly they’re largely conspiratorial rantings on Dominion Voting Systems and deceased Venezuelan president, Hugo Chavez. Powell and a group of Michigan Republicans are requesting that a federal judge reverse Biden's victory in the state.

The Michigan filing appears to have had formatting issues too, Bloomberg reported, with Powell forgetting to put the spaces between words. For example:

“TheTCFCenterwastheonlyfacilitywithinWayneCountyauthorizedtocountthe ballots.”

You have been misled in another example of the mainstream media failing to fairly report and inform its readers.

My article detailed all the substantive evidence that has been filed by Sidney Powell - without even dealing with the Dominion Voting Systems allegations. Why were readers not informed - in the article you cited - of the large body of evidence I pointed out?

Highlighting typos and formatting errors indicates a desire to gloss over the serious allegations being made by Powell in the Complaint.

Focus on the substance of the allegations - not the lawyer who drafted the Complaint nor the sloppiness with which the document was prepared in great haste and under extreme pressure. A clean copy will address these issues. Nothing will address the reporter's failure to fairly outline the case and inform the public's right to be told what the case is all about.

The mainstream media has a lot to answer for. Their bias and Trump-hatred for the last four years has destroyed their credibility as reliable sources for news. Readers are deserting them in droves.
https://morningconsult.com/2020/04/22/media-credibility-cable-news-poll/

You can now get a one year's subscription to the "paper of record" - the New York Times on line - for just $1 per week. Enough said.

You and millions of others are still swallowing the outrageous misreporting by the mainstream media - hook, line and sinker.
Posted by david singer, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 5:16:26 AM
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It's been amazing to see how effectively the years of constant anti Trump propaganda has penetrated minds.
We have close personal friends from all stations who absolutely believe Trump is corrupt. We've asked them how, what's he done, and they can't tell us. After a moment of silence the usual is the Russia thing. That's it. That's all they've got.

Anyway, we'll see fairly soon what's coming from the official investigation that's going in the background.

Powell's words about any states being stupid enough to certify these results weren't without meaning.
Posted by jamo, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 7:25:24 AM
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Well Jamo, didn't Herr Goebbels have something to say about that;
"Tell a lie often enough and loud enough and they will believe it !".
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 7:46:40 AM
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Need to remember the overall system for electing the US President. It is largely based on "winner takes all" of Electoral College votes for each state based on something like the proportion of total eligible voters in each. eg California has 55 votes while Alaska has 3 out of the total of 538. Currently results from six states which are close but has been widely claimed Biden won are being disputed by Republicans due to obvious widespread electoral fraud. The mainstream media, etc, claims Biden has 306 votes to Trump's 232. However, Biden has only 227 votes without the 79 in total from states where results may change.

Are two possible ways Trump can obtain electoral votes for disputed states which Biden presently seems to have won. The first is court proceedings. However, whether they are successful in changing results depends on what evidence can be produced and proven soon enough. Also, at times predisposed preferences of judges hearing cases Note that in disputed states, the Executive including Governor and those in charge of elections and the judiciary seem largely basically Democrat supporters while the legislatures mainly have Republican majorities. it seems already legislators in Pennsylvania, where probably the most cheating has occurred have already started the process to maybe award the state's 20 electoral college votes to Trump Seems they have power to do this if for supposedly good reason. Remains to be seem what actually happens both here and in other states though. I saw an article recently that pointed out minimum combinations of winning in disputed states both Trump and Biden need to take the presidency. Included three which added to established results give a draw. Then there are 13 combinations for Trump but only 10 for Biden to get what they need of the 79 presently questionable votes to get past the winning requirement of 270. For a start. if Pennslylvania legislators support Trump. he will then be up to 252 and need minimum of 18 more. Two more states other than just both the smallest, ie Arizone and Nevada is enough for this.
Posted by mox, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 10:53:19 AM
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Mox,

Amazing: the wishful thinking of a six-year-old: Arizona has already declared for Biden, and Pennsylvania is about to. If A. If B. ....... If Z. If ..... If ....... If ......

It's a pity that the real world doesn't bend to our wishes so easily. Never mind, there's always 2024.

Although President Harris may win that one, and the next, as she would be constitutionally allowed to stand in 2028.

So you might have to wait until 2032. Good luck !

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 11:09:53 AM
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Worth checking the latest article re the US Presidential election on www.theepochtimes.com . which is maybe the best site that is not anti Trump and has regular updates. About election computers in Detroit, Michigan being connected to the Internet.
Posted by mox, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 11:13:32 AM
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Its pretty funny really...

People who spent 4 years mindlessly believing every cockamamie story about how the Russians stole the '16 election for the Orange Man, stories without an ounce of evidence and ultimately shown to be utterly false, but for whom lack of evidence wasn't a hindrance to deep and oft repeat assertions that the Orange Man stole the election...those same folk now suddenly decide that they need absolute smoking-gun evidence that there was electoral fraud in 2020.

Oh...and they demand that everyone else now abide their new-found need for absolute, concrete proof. We lost - the electoral system is hopelessly corrupt. We won - the electoral system is beyond reproach.

Hypocrisy reigns supreme...
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 11:21:30 AM
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Bazz, yes, also there was something about the bigger the lie the more readily it's believed.

mhaze, "Its pretty funny really..." Oh isn't it just.
Seeing Dems running around in a panic wiping computers and calling in shredding contractors isn't making them look guilty at all.
Coz there's no evidence is there.
That old saying, when you're in a hole, stop digging.
On the pile of funny ironies there's another in the electronic transfer of votes from Trump to Biden.
Taxing the "rich" to give to the "poor".
Couldn't help but chuckle when that was pointed out.
True to form indeed.
Posted by jamo, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 8:31:54 PM
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Hi Janmo,

Yes, " .... the bigger the lie the more readily it's believed."

Particularly by the people who tout it.

So what evidence has been produced in a month of electoral fraud ? Bugger all.

But you won't believe that, will you ?

" .... the bigger the lie the more readily it's believed."

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 8:49:01 PM
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I could not post this earlier as I was caught by the post limit.
This an article from what appears to be an independent on line newspaper.
The complainants were on site as IT contractors and saw too much.

http://tinyurl.com/y336ugzc

If evidence that these people are swearing is true and a judge that
is tasked with considering it knows that it will go to appeal if he
rules it out of order he will be very careful.

At least that is what I would expect. But then this the US we are looking at.
Anyway read it especially if you have any knowledge of networks.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 9:43:33 PM
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A judge in Georgia has ordered the voting machines be impounded for
examination. A question was asked if they had been switched off would
it destroy evidence.
Presumably if they were switched off it would destroy ballot count
figures, but the settings may be in eeproms and would reveal a multitude of sins.
Interesting technical arguments in the future.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 10:01:43 PM
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Forgot the link;
http://tinyurl.com/y336ugzc
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 10:03:16 PM
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To summarise: Trump won the vote, but lost the count.

Stalin said...its not the votes that count but who counts the votes (its more prosaic in the original)
Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 5:26:19 AM
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Mhaze,

And across the US, with its many states and multitude of counties, there would be a mixture of counters and scrutineers, Republican, Democrat and Other. So no single body counts the votes. A multitude of people in a multitude of official bodies do. A multitude of scrutineers watch them.

Please take your paranoia elsewhere. Your Mad King blew it. 'Sleepy' Joe won it. Move on. Try again in 2024. And in 2028. And in 2032.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 9:29:18 AM
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Good one Bazz.

The Epoch Times is a far-right international multi-language newspaper and media company affiliated with the Falun Gong new religious movement, based in the United States. The newspaper is part of the Epoch Media Group, which also operates New Tang Dynasty Television.
The Epoch Times, the mysterious publication is linked to Falun Gong. The Epoch Times is spending more than most presidential campaigns on Facebook to promote pro-Trump videos.
It is an obscure publication aimed at the Chinese diaspora, was one of the top three political spenders on Facebook in the last week in April. The paper outspent every presidential candidate except Biden and Trump himself, according to an analysis by Acronym."
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 10:00:35 AM
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"And across the US, with its many states and multitude of counties, there would be a mixture of counters and scrutineers, Republican, Democrat and Other. So no single body counts the votes. A multitude of people in a multitude of official bodies do. A multitude of scrutineers watch them."

Where are you getting your information Loudmouth Joe?
Do you really believe all of what you just posted or are you trying to make it real by posting it?

In the contested states a key point was clearly biased counters and the exclusion of republican scrutineers.
Posted by jamo, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 10:30:49 AM
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When news sources that are not regarded as something like "mainstream" publish stuff that many interests - including some of the mainstream media would prefer kept hidden and they cannot readily rationally dispute it with evidence, a common reaction is to resort to name calling sort of abuse. Such as the above obviously regurgitated from elsewhere slinging off at The Epoch Times. Coverage by it of the US election has included lots of detailed material from the Trump side - of which the Democrat supporting mainstream media often ignores, tries to downplay, dismiss as "Fake news" or adds "This claim is disputed". Effectively ongoing partial censorship. Note the above post about The Epoch Times is basically obviously intended to discredit and try to discourage people from even looking at what it publishes. Was originally established in New York USA around 20 years ago by Chinese strongly opposed to the Chinese Communist Party. Note that there needs to be more reminders of who has strong influence of other news sources - especially mainstream ones and what their own agendas are likely to be.
Posted by mox, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 10:44:08 AM
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LM,

"And across the US,..."

Well nice deflection, but beside the point. This thing wasn't won and lost 'across' the nation. It was lost in a few counties in a handful of states. Counties where, inexplicably, counting was stopped in the early hours of the election night while Trump was miles ahead and then restarted with massive dumps of Biden votes.

Counties where scrutineers were evicted for spurious reasons (eg a burst water main which turned out to be nothing more than a leaking tap).

Counties where GOP scrutineers were forced to stand so far back (due to WuFlu dontchaknow) that they couldn't scrutinise anything.

And so much more....

Yes Biden will take over (or at least his handlers and the CCP will) on 20/1/21 but that doesn't mean the victory was untarnished.

But again I can't help but point out the utter hypocrisy of those who spent 4 years whining about how the Russians stole the election for Trump in '16 without the slightest evidence, but who now ignore the evidence of actual electoral fraud.

As I recall, you were one of those whiners, weren't you.
Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 1:05:43 PM
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Mhaxe,

And presumably this has been taken to a court:

" .... Counties where, inexplicably, counting was stopped in the early hours of the election night while Trump was miles ahead and then restarted with massive dumps of Biden votes."

And thrown out ?

If that was genuine, of course it would have made the news.

He who asserts, must demonstrate.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 1:10:42 PM
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According to Trumps AG William Barr; ""To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election,"
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 4:39:00 PM
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Paul,

From the DOJ spokesman "Some media outlets have incorrectly reported that the Department has concluded its investigation of election fraud and announced an affirmative finding of no fraud in the election. That is not what the Associated Press reported nor what the Attorney General stated. The Department will continue to receive and vigorously pursue all specific and credible allegations of fraud as expeditiously as possible."

LM,

"If that was genuine, of course it would have made the news."

It did make the news, LM, just not the news media you rely on to tell you what to think. The same news that you so joyfully let mislead you for 4 years over so-called Russian collusion, is misleading you again.

There is plenty of evidence of electoral fraud, but it isn't incontrovertible. A combination of Democrat judges, Democrat media (ie all of it), Democrat social media(ie all of it) will suppress the information so that people like LM, who desperately want to be misled, will be so.

We'll find out in a decade's time that, on the balance of probabilities, it was a Trumpslide, in the same way we found out a decade after Kennedy won, that the mafia won it for him.
Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 4:50:10 PM
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Thanks for the info Paul, I did wonder about the title as there is
a local Chinese paper in this area with that name.
However the interviews with the IT contractors seemed solid as they
are to give evidence.
A recent statement was quoted as "No evidence found".
They chopped off the "in the cases we have investigated".

In principle ballot counting machines should never be connected to the internet.
I think there is a long way to go.
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 5:30:28 PM
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Dear mhaze,

Well there you are my little fellow. You took a bit of a break for a month didn't you. Wasn't sure you would be rearing your cherub face here after your president was beaten in a landslide and your little Sweden is facing its second wave. A very good reason to take a sabbatical of course. Perfectly understandable given the circumstances.

But here you are, out loud and proud once again.

Well good on you. You can once again spout your nonsense from your position of deep supplication in from of you lord and saviour el president e.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 3 December 2020 7:48:41 PM
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Hi Steele, you can't put it past mhaze for getting it wrong. On the virus poor mhaze fell for Dangerous Doctor Donald, hook, line and sinker. Yep, its just a mild flu said Donald and mhaze, it only affects old people, a dose of diso will do the trick. it will be gone by Easter, it will be a (Donald) miracle. Yep look at Sweden and the mounting death toll, where's that promised herd immunity mhaze was babbling on about. To cap it off, Dangerous Doctor Donald lost the election in a landslide (his words). No wounder mhaze retreated under his rock for a month!
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 4 December 2020 7:33:21 AM
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Bazz,

"In principle ballot counting machines should never be connected to the internet."

Says who that they are, IF they are, without all manner of standard safeguards ?

Although, come to think of it, little Donny could get his Russian mates to manipulate the figures and win him a landslide. They haven't done that ? So, most likely there ARE safeguards.

Find evidence otherwise.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Friday, 4 December 2020 7:38:06 AM
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Loudmouth, a couple of IT contractors that were employed for the
election. They found the there was a connection to a network.

I think under our electoral system, if such was found the court of
disputed returns would have cancelled the result and sent it back to the electors.
Anyway it appears that it is going to court.
Some seem determined that nothing should be tested, nothing to see here, move along !
Anyway, if there is fiddling with the ballot it should be exposed.
These two were not happy with what they saw.

http://tinyurl.com/y336ugzc
Posted by Bazz, Friday, 4 December 2020 8:08:05 AM
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A bit more Loudmouth;
In this tally centre everyone was sent home for the night, but four
stayed behind and restarted counting. It was all on video.
A bit hard to see here on the internet but the lady describing the
events to the audience would have had a better vision, but you can
see them pull suitcases out from under a table.
No matter what you believe and if you support any candidate then
fraud is a distinct possibility and should be examined.

https://tinyurl.com/y3dxwscw

I did see a graph of the allocation of votes during a day and it
showed spikes of near equal size for both candidate then at the
end of the day a big spike for Biden much bigger than any previous spike.
Well it will provide a lot of entertainment for the next four years.
Just be thankful that we have a much better system.
Posted by Bazz, Friday, 4 December 2020 8:53:41 AM
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SR,

"Well there you are my little fellow"

Little?....you shouldn't believe the rumours.

"You took a bit of a break for a month didn't you."
Yep, caravan tour of NSW timed to beat the Christmas hoards. Sans devices as instructed by the boss.

Paul_etc

Still struggling with those pesky facts I see....

"a mild flu said Donald and mhaze..." Well no one said it was a mild flu. But the equivalent of a bad flu season.

"it only affects old people..." Well no one said it ONLY affects old people just that it primarily affects old people. I'd mention the numbers but I know you'd get lost once we got above 10.

" dose of diso will do the trick..." Well no one said that but facts be damned, eh Paul.

"Dangerous Doctor Donald lost the election ..." Well as I said, he won the election but lost the count.
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 4 December 2020 9:42:38 AM
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INCREASINGLY detached from reality, President Donald Trump stood before a White House lectern

and delivered a 46-minute diatribe against the election results that produced a win for

Joe Biden, unspooling one misstatement after another to back his baseless claim that he really won.

Trump called his address, released [2 Dec 2020] only on social media and delivered in front of no audience,

perhaps “the most important speech” of his presidency.

But it was largely a recycling of the same litany of misinformation and unsubstantiated allegations

of voter fraud that he has been making for the past month.
_____________________

There you have it Trump's Pets of Unreality.

More at http://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-media-social-media-elections-71d5469ac0bbccbfe601528a2517b239 of 3rd December 2020
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 4 December 2020 12:50:45 PM
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"unsubstantiated allegations of voter fraud..."

http://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/disturbing-video-from-georgia-suitcases-filled-with-ballots/

Well if they don't get investigated they'll remain unsubstantiated.

Funny that. No one wants to look into the credible claims of fraud, but in 2016 they spent 2 years looking into entirely ridiculous assertions of electoral fraud.

And the clowns who fell for those claims then are falling for the assertions that there was no fraud this time
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 4 December 2020 3:18:27 PM
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Mhaze.

Oy. Present the evidence before a court - or first present the basic outlines of what would count as evidence, and then wait for the court's decision. So far, in both Republican- and Democrat-controlled administrations, no such presentations have been made which carried any weight with their court systems.

This is getting so childish: 'we assert, therefore you must believe - and the more outrageous the assertions are, the more you must believe.'

It doesn't work that way. Sorry, kids.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Friday, 4 December 2020 3:24:00 PM
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If witnesses are swearing affidavits, and remember just as it is a
crime to swear a false affidavit here they are risking gaol time.
At least some of those witnesses appear to have nothing to gain by
such a risk.
Why is there such resistance to investigation ?
Posted by Bazz, Friday, 4 December 2020 3:35:22 PM
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Loudmouth, what you have seen so far is all preliminary and the Judge
in one case has suppressed the name of one witness and asked for the
complaint to be filed. I expect the next step would be to set a date.
It all takes time don't expect a resolution next week !
Posted by Bazz, Friday, 4 December 2020 3:41:10 PM
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Bazz,

Well, it's been more than a month already. How much longer do you want ?

Nothing yet.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Friday, 4 December 2020 3:57:15 PM
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Video out today showing suitcases of ballots being wheeled out and counted during the tally room shutdown with no scrutineers present.
Posted by jamo, Friday, 4 December 2020 9:53:09 PM
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"Video out today" jamo you didn't provide a link so we can all watch it. Is it next to the video of The Donald cavorting naked with a dozen similar clad nymphs in the White House swimming pool?
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 4 December 2020 11:39:18 PM
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Jamo,

Suitcases being jeeld from A to B ? Well, there you go: obviously fraud.

No idea where ? Or if it could have been staged ?

Obviously not: it's all completely above-board, so clear proof of fraud.

Any idea of where or when ? Can the video be dated ? Last week maybe ?

Wow, Jamo, have I got a bridge for YOU !

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Saturday, 5 December 2020 9:07:37 AM
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Loudmouth, the legal system everywhere is ponderously slow.
BTW, it seems that these voting machines have been under suspicion for
a long time in the US and elsewhere.
https://tinyurl.com/yxpj33w6

They are such big cabinets, I wonder what is in them.
I would have thought that mark sensing readers would be used to read
the ballots and the output would go straight into a computer.
They could be made very secure but also made very vulnerable.
Any particular machine could be made to change a certain percentage
of votes to a favourite candidate. So testing one machine would be
meaningless, you would have to test particular machines, before they
could have their preference settings reset.
One investigator asked if the settings were reset if the power was turned off an on.

I hope all this is not what is mean by electronic voting when it
gets raised here.
My idea is each electoral officer would have a laptop and you tell
him your name & address and he enters that into the laptop and it
tells the commissions computer that that person has voted so no one
could run around the polling places and vote in each like they do now.

The actual counting of ballot papers can still be done by hand or
if it has become too big a job mark sensing m/c with hardware
counters would be hard to fiddle.
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 5 December 2020 10:01:46 AM
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David, ttbn, indi, ateday, Bazz, jamo, mox, mhaze, Joe, Alan B. and Paul1405

We've all been waiting whether the Michigan Court would find any merit in the Trump campaign’s latest attempt.

Well here is the Court’s decision reported today at http://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2020/12/michigan-appeals-court-shoots-down-trump-election-challenge-as-moot.html

“MICHIGAN APPEALS COURT SHOOTS DOWN TRUMP ELECTION CHALLENGE AS ‘MOOT’”
Posted by plantagenet, Saturday, 5 December 2020 5:59:44 PM
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Hi Pete,

Gosh, what a surprise.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Saturday, 5 December 2020 8:14:09 PM
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Hi Joe

Yes very predictable.

Donny's time draws near.

"Planet America" may have lost its No.1 star attraction (however infamous).

Here's a good Aussie song (language warning) most can sing on 21st Jan (our time) http://youtu.be/cQ9__8UJSc4

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Saturday, 5 December 2020 9:42:43 PM
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Not only are some judges Democrats, worse still, some are renegade Republicans! Everyone is conspiring to do the dirty on Donald!

jamo where's that link showing the video of vote stealing?

Donalds, booked on the next Jap flight to a faraway asteroid, one way ticket we hope.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 6 December 2020 7:33:19 AM
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Appeal likely ?
Posted by Bazz, Sunday, 6 December 2020 4:29:59 PM
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Thats too bad "SS" Trump insists those campaign officials briefing him in small rooms and cars, wear no masks.

So sad SS Trump's personal lawyer and head of Trump's "I was robbed cos the American people voted against me" Legal Appeals Team

has come down with Covid.

see http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-07/us-election-updates-rudy-giuliani-coronavirus-trump-biden/12952944

"SS" you may ask?

Not Trump's manifest rightwing German heritage:

Instead Donald Trump the Covid SUPER SPREADER

to too many in his own Family, Staff, Officials and Republicans, too numerous to mention.

But does Trump care?

Trump's legacy is "POTUS of Golf" in Florida. He doesn't want to play President any more

while 250,000+ Americans have gasped to death for lack of Presidential action on Covid...
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 7 December 2020 2:20:58 PM
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#plantaganet

You are only telling half the story with your headline:
“MICHIGAN APPEALS COURT SHOOTS DOWN TRUMP ELECTION CHALLENGE AS ‘MOOT’”

Judge Patrick Meter (dissenting) wrote that he believed the issues in the case you cited were not moot.

“The issues are not moot because state electors have not yet been seated, the Electoral College has not yet been assembled, and Congress has not yet convened to consider whether to exercise its powers under Art.2, Sec. 1 and Am 20,”

The Court took the coward's way out in deciding not hear the case. Hopefully an appeal will rectify this shocking denial of justice.

Seems to be reasonable grounds for winning an appeal. Appeal Courts exist because lower court judges get it wrong in so many cases.

In the meantime - try to be fair in your arguments. Your failure to disclose the decision was not unanimous is deceptive and misleading. I expect better of you.
Posted by david singer, Monday, 7 December 2020 4:49:48 PM
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Hi David,

Try to be fair in your arguments. If a majority of judges decide one way, but one decides another, then usually the majority rules.

It's called democracy. Try to get used to it.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Monday, 7 December 2020 6:30:28 PM
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Hiya David

The Trump campaign team lost their latest appeal in Michigan, full stop

and hooray!

Don't be a sore loser.

I expect better of you :)

Happy Hanukkah
(beginning 10th December)
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 7 December 2020 7:02:06 PM
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Re accusation off being a "sore loser" in above comment, many people accept losing in a fair contest but outcome of the above one has obviously been corrupted by large scale fraud. Then so far those carrying this out have been doing their best to cover it up and they have been aided and abetted by the mainstream media, Google, Twitter and Facebook and largely Democrat sympathising judges. Those who have watched alternative media sources are overall much more aware of the large range of dishonest processes in this Presidential election. Also, that there are still possibilities which could enable Trump to stay in office for another 4 years. If so, the first thing that needs doing is overhauling electoral processes to minimise corruption possibilities.
Posted by mox, Monday, 7 December 2020 7:45:50 PM
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I wasted a couple of hours or so today watching evidence being given
to parliamentary committee or whatever they call them there.
It was state members, I think state senators.
They gave the evidence a good hearing and asked some questions.
It was an information gathering exercise and the evidence given by
witnesses on sworn affidavits were interesting and would be hard to explain away.
Even if no court will find the election was invalid the damage has
been done and the only way to settle it is to run the election again
but this time under better control and with scrutineers where they
can see what is going on.
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 7 December 2020 8:33:35 PM
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Re comment from Bazz above to the effect that they way to settle things properly would be to run the election again. Remember Trump has full Presidential powers until 20th January. I saw a claim somewhere that if all other attempts to overturn results of this stolen election fail, it is technically possible for him to declare martial law and order the US military to conduct another election. Most likely there would not be much opposition to such a proposal except from cheats deprived of their ill gotten gains. Note Trump has just replaced some senior officials and advisors in the Pentagon with people who seem to be more sympathetic to his views. Including not so inclined to obstruct his attempts to bring more troops home.
Posted by mox, Monday, 7 December 2020 9:05:38 PM
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Frightening thoughts there Mox. The right wing militias have already
being threatening an armed refusal to accept Biden if the courts do
not consider the complaints.
Ultimately it seems inevitable it will go to their Supreme Court.
The time needed to really study this problem thoroughly would need at
least a year. So could the court suspend the constitution while it
considered the matter.
My Gauwd, don't they need a Royal Commission !

Hey, there's a thought, the Queen could step in and say her subjects
have not been able to govern themselves and set up a Royal Commission !
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 7 December 2020 10:20:09 PM
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mox, Bazz

I offer just 2 modifications to your well thought out suspension of the US Constitution with one year rule by the Queen.

1. Prince Harry and his American member of the royal family wife, Meghan, could of course rule the US on behalf of the Queen. Both already live in the US saving the cost of 2 plane tickets already.

2. Their title, Duke and Duchess of Sussex, should be altered to the Duke and Duchess of Sex.

That way they could earn money on the side as an Adult movie shag tag team.

Up the Royals!

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 8 December 2020 12:23:21 AM
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Hi Pete,

The scary thing is, I know you are joking, but the other two are dead serious. If Trump is not declared president how many armed wackos are there in America who would be prepared to "see justice done" on their terms. Trump by his unsubstantiated claims is fuelling the fire. Of course if armed insurrection was to break out Trump would stand back and as per usual take no reasonability. The more likely outcome is crazy far right nutters taking pot shots at the ever growing list of people they perceive as doing Trump wrong, election officials, court people and politicians and party members from both sides. Okay, Biden will have top notch security, making him a very hard target, but what about minor people and their families in the states and counties, soft targets!

When Biden does become President, he should remove Trump from the list of former presidents who receive daily briefings, he would be too much of a security risk.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 8 December 2020 8:17:20 AM
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Paul, as a mad lefty you are as bad as the ultra right prepared to
convict and sentence before the trial rather than after.
Stalin on one hand and Hitler on the other.

Think about, that election is under a cloud of suspicion.
It can never be rehabilitated without an enquirey with powers like
those of a Royal Commission.
Then they need to establish an entirely new organisation to run all
their elections. That will be a monumental task as it would need
major constitutional reform.
If they do not do it then this current situation is the new normal.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 8 December 2020 8:46:19 AM
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Bazz,

The election has been held.

No fraud has been found, by either Republican, Democrat or independent administrations in any state or territory.

Georgia has now counted the vote there three times and found no fraud.

Your fruit-loop side lost. Trumpf lost.

Suck it up and move on. Try again for your 'end of days' scenario in 2024.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Tuesday, 8 December 2020 8:56:37 AM
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Dear Mox,

Quote: “outcome of the above one has obviously been corrupted by large scale fraud”

No it obviously has not.

Quote: “largely Democrat sympathising judges”

Rubbish, Republican judges, Republican Governors, and even on of the most partisan federal Attorney Generals in Bill Barr have all said there is absolutely no evidence of widespread voter fraud.

Listen mate, your crybaby president has lost in a landslide. You get to sook up like the rest of the cultists which is fine but you don't get to spout the kind of crap you are doing here without getting pulled up on it.

Time to nick off and smell the roses.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 8 December 2020 9:05:00 AM
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Loudmouth, you are ignoring the sworn evidence that has been given
at their equivalent of parliamentary committees.
No matter how strongly you wish it, it will not go away.
The sworn evidence is on the record and will haunt any government that
tries to ignore it.
That is why they need a Royal Commission like body to act.

If it was in Australia any act passed by parliament could be
challenged as being invalid as the parliament itself was invalid.
It would end up in the High Court.

As you said; Suck it up and move on.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 8 December 2020 9:18:54 AM
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Bazz,

And those assertions have gone - where ? Have they generated any successful court cases ?

No.

A person can swear the veracity of an assertion on a stack of upside-down Bibles but it may still come to nothing. God works in sometimes perverse ways :)

No fraud proven yet. And here we are, five weeks after the election.

Move on. Suck it up.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Tuesday, 8 December 2020 9:37:57 AM
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It seems like today, December 8, is the critical day for states to certify their election results:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-08/us-election-safe-harbor-deadline-donald-trump-joe-biden/12956176

And next week, the Electoral College meets to approve those certifications. In a month's time, the Houses of Congress meet to approve those election results and declare a successful presidential candidate.

Not one successful case yet of any sort of fraud. Still, the Sook-in-Chief will go on and on about it, and his low-IQ worshippers will keep backing him up, even on OLO.

The inauguration of the new president will occur on January 20th. Trump will try to disrupt the ceremonies. I wonder if he can be 'dis-invited' if he shows any sign beforehand of trying to disrupt the ceremonies.

Goodbye, Donny :)

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Tuesday, 8 December 2020 10:16:23 AM
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Return of the ex-US Colonies back into the British Empire

with

Royal Rule by the Duke and Duchess of Sex

sounds so much more likely than Donald, POTUS of Golf, reaching his 2nd Term.
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 8 December 2020 12:16:52 PM
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Come on Pete, there have been great things achieved during The Donald's Presidency! For one The Donald's golf handicap has dropped by 5 strokes, such dedication to duty as it has been. For two, The Donald's golf handicap has dropped by 5 strokes. For three, did I mention that The Donald's golf handicap has dropped by 5 strokes. Um,... well... that's about it.

Funny one, but true. The Donald went to one of his two bob golf resorts. There's this plaque on the wall commemorating that some minor pro golfer held the course record at 69. The Donald goes out plays and returns with a score card of 68. Has one of his lackeys get a new plaque made that has The Donald holding the course record at 68. The only trouble was The Donald went and played, but after about the 12th he returned to the club house, claiming a new course record. He even cheated to get the 68 on his card. Such a low life.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 8 December 2020 9:28:29 PM
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Thanks Paul

I never imagined Trump was a great golfer, but Trump imagines...

I recommend Trumpsters buy themselves a present for Christmas (as no one else will :)

That present is a book "Commander in Cheat: How Golf Explains Trump" by super sportswriter Rick Reilly.

eg. at http://www.amazon.com/Commander-Cheat-Golf-Explains-Trump/dp/0316528080/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

SOME REVIEWS

"Every one of Trump's most disgusting qualities surfaces in golf." - The Ringer

An outrageous indictment of Donald Trump's appalling behavior when it comes to golf (on and off the green) and what it reveals about his character.

"Commander in Cheat is a startling and at times hilarious indictment of Trump and his golf game.

You'll learn how Trump cheats (sometimes with the help of his caddies and Secret Service agents)

lies about his scores (the "Trump Bump"), tells whoppers about the rank of his courses and

...tramples the etiquette of the game (driving on greens doesn't help).

Trump doesn't brag so much, though, about the golf contractors he stiffs, [and] the course neighbors he intimidates,"

"Commander in Cheat paints a side-splitting portrait of a congenital cheater"
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 12:28:24 AM
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Loudmouth, two men have been charged in California with attempt
fraud in applying for thousands of ballots for homeless people.
http://tinyurl.com/y2d4y7ja
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 8:56:36 AM
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Bazz,

That news item was, it seems, about the count in Oregon. Here's another take on it:

http://www.kezi.com/content/news/Oregon-stays-blue-in-election-but-the-political-atmosphere-is-changing-573060721.html

Interesting that no fraud was found back then, no stacking of votes, etc. And Oregon voted overwhelmingly for Biden, so why should any supposed fraudsters bother ?

Clutching at straws, Bazz ):

So today's the day in the US when election certifications have to be lodged by each state and territory. At last.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 9:11:44 AM
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Hi Bazz

Don't be downhearted.

Trump is offering an IOU, collectable at one of his high priced Florida Golf Courses, for Trumpsters to buy themselves a present for Christmas.

That present is a book, called "Commander in Cheat: How Golf Explains Trump"

THE MOST POSITIVE REVIEW:

"Every one of Trump's most disgusting qualities surfaces in golf."
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 9:38:32 AM
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Hi Pete,

In his quest to "Make White America Great Again", Trump ordered only enough vaccination doses for fifty million US residents by the middle of next year. Pfizer has therefore organised to provide any further production dosages until then to other countries. So 280 million US residents will still be waiting by July, while the pandemic rages.

Dr Fauci has lamented that the pandemic will still be increasing its impact, with two, then three, then maybe four, thousand deaths each day. Trump has indirectly declared his measured response to the pandemic - i.e. bugger-all. 300,000 US residents dying from the virus ? A hundred 9/11s ? Stuff them. Most of the bastards didn't vote for me anyway. So what if there's another 300,000 ? Or 600,000 by July ?

And of course, even after the vaccine is fully available, it will take time to vaccinate 280 million more US residents - so the death curve will keep rising for a while before the vaccination curve catches up and pushes it down.

But of course, not for those dills who oppose vaccinations. They will keep dying from the virus, thus depleting the population of low-IQ, hicks and Trump-supporters. Not good news for future Republican presidential hopefuls.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 10:06:53 AM
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No Loudmouth, you did not read it. The photo at the top was not
connected to the article itself.
They were charged by the Los Angeles DA if you had bothered to read the article.
It gives their names and ages.
Here is a link that is in the article which you did not read to the
Report of the District Attorney's office. Try denying this;

http://tinyurl.com/y3wdcst3

and this is just the first one we have seen.
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 10:37:04 AM
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Bazz,

So it's California then ?

And how did Biden's vote go in california ? A massive majority ?

So, would there have been still any need to carry out fraud in California ?

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 11:02:41 AM
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Dear Bazz,

As a clueless minion for your president you really do take first prize.

"Montenegro allegedly submitted more than 8,000 fraudulent voter registration applications between July and October 2020. The defendant also is accused of falsifying names, addresses and signatures on nomination papers under penalty of perjury to run for mayor in the city of Hawthorne."

This was done in order to assist with his election as mayor and absolutely nothing to do with the Federal election at all.

Why are you implying it does?

Here are the warrant papers. http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/14984641/2020/11/BA491333.pdf

Stop hawking this nonsense. You need a good case of de-culting mate, the sooner the better.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 11:09:10 AM
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Hi Joe

Something even more important than Trump's Legal Team's last gasp in Michigan happened 7th Dec 2020.

Chuck Yeager, the heroic Mach 1 (sound barrier) Test Pilot, died in his 97th year.

Pete
http://gentleseas.blogspot.com/2020/12/mach-1-hero-test-pilot-chuck-yeager.html
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 12:12:19 PM
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Hi Pete,

Yes, wasn't he the first person (or part of a team) to fly non-stop around the world, in about 1967 ?

Now, there was a real man.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 12:40:24 PM
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Wow. Didn't think it would happen but the Defense Policy Bill which Trump had threatened to veto because he wanted a social media clause which would remove their legal shield has been passed overwhelmingly by both houses. So much so that Trump can not exercise his veto powers. All but 40 Republicans voted to pass it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/08/us/politics/house-military-bill-confederate-base-names-trump.html
Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 1:14:10 PM
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Hi Joe

re http://gentleseas.blogspot.com/2020/12/mach-1-hero-test-pilot-chuck-yeager.html

You have a good memory re "wasn't [Chuck Yeager] the first person (or part of a team) to fly non-stop around the world, in about 1967 ?

Same surname but No relation.

You're thinking of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeana_Yeager

Jeana Yeager (born 1952) an American aviator, co-piloted, along with Dick Rutan, the first non-stop, non-refueled flight around the world in the Rutan Voyager aircraft from Dec 14 to 23, 1986. The flight took 9 days and covered 24,986 miles, more than doubling the old distance record set by an unrefueled B-52 in 1962.
_________________________________

On another matter.

Refuting comments from a rather talkative http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=21222&page=0#374335 "OLO Identity" that I'm just another namby-pamby soft left dogooder, I refer him to another post.

ie. Unique comments on the care and feeding of a .50 calibre machinegun covering a "kill zone" http://gentleseas.blogspot.com/2020/12/50-calibre-assassination-of-iranian.html . Just by coincidence involving a key nuclear scientist of the Islamic faith http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohsen_Fakhrizadeh .
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Hi SteeleRedux

[your "Wednesday, 9 December 2020 1:14:10 PM" comment above]

citing http://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/08/us/politics/house-military-bill-confederate-base-names-trump.html

That increasing numbers of Republicans in the House, Senate and Courts are rejecting Trump's

worst laid plans and highlighting what a nutjob he is - is excellent news.

Cheers
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 6:21:29 PM
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This is the essence of the Texas +7 lawsuit filed in SCOTUS trying to declare the selection of electors in four states void:

Pennsylvania – officials ignored the law concerning signature verification of absentee ballots and illegally extended the deadline for accepting ballots. Processed absentee ballots earlier than allowed by law and illegally ‘cured’ ballots.

Georgia – illegally changed regulations around verifying absentee ballot signatures such that unlawfully handled mail-in ballots “far exceeds the margin of victory”. In 2016 6.42% of mail-in ballots were rejected. 2020 it was 0.37%.

Michigan – sent “mail-in ballot applications to all 7.7 million registered Michigan voters in direct contravention of state election law”. Additionally “signature verification requirements were ignored”.

Wisconsin – illegally ‘cured’ absentee votes and inspected them before election day, both in direct contravention of state law. Set up absentee vote drop boxes, also in direct contravention of state law.

I feel its unlikely that the SCOTUS will take the drastic step of overturning the claimed election result in these states, a step of monumental repercussions.

But equally, it’s clear to all but the most partisan, both from the above and from myriad other data, affidavits and observations that these elections were not free and fair.

Nonetheless, its more likely than not that China Joe will, much to the delight of the CCP and the US deep state, take the oath on 20/1. But Trump supporters will forever believe the election was stolen and act accordingly.
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 10 December 2020 5:09:15 AM
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Dear mhaze,

The horse is deceased mate, time to give it away.

At least you have provided figures for one of your assertions. However Reuters says it is all bunkum.

http://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-georgia-rejected-ballots-fo-idUSKBN2832CM

VERDICT
"False. Georgia rejected 2,011 ballots or 0.15% in 2020. In 2016 and 2018, Georgia’s ballot rejection rates were 0.24% and 0.15% respectively."

What else you got for us mate?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 10 December 2020 11:41:52 AM
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And by the way, while your president is consumed with not processing and accepting his loss 3,000 more Americans died from Covid, you know the one you keep asserting is little more than the common flu.

It is the highest daily toll on record for the US.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/12/09/coronavirus-covid-live-updates-us/

Talk about Nero fiddling.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 10 December 2020 12:12:16 PM
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Hi SR,

So that's that then: the states have all certified their election results and forwarded them to the Electoral College. All over, Red Rover :)

But Trumpf will hang around until 2024 like an extremely bad Swampy smell, while the Biden administrations dismantles his Deep State. Trumpf will poison electoral opportunities for the Republicans until then, unless he has an Epstein-type accident.

And the virus toll will keep rising well into next year, and perhaps long after (say, a few months ?) the vaccine is available. Is Trumpf so child-like that he thinks that, once the vaccine is available, it will - like, you know, by magic - be available to everybody (or, at least all Americans, stuff everybody else - America First) almost immediately.

No, it will take many months to produce and administer 700 million doses of the vaccine, and meanwhile the number of daily deaths will keep climbing until the majority of US residents have been vaccinated. So the daily toll could hit 4,000. Total deaths could reach 300,000 - or 100 9/11 totals - by next Tuesday.

The day when the Electoral College is due to meet.

And perhaps 400,000 by Inauguration Day.

Super-spreader Trumpf rallied his most half-witted supporters last week. IF there is a massive virus outbreak in Georgia, how many may be turned off voting Republican in the January Senate run-off elections ?

What a repulsive excuse for a human being Trumpf is, and always has been.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Thursday, 10 December 2020 12:28:28 PM
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Oh dear SR, did you even read the article you linked?

You're comparing apples and oranges. You really ought to avoid any issue to do with those pesky numbers because it always utterly confuses you. The article you linked is fact checking things other than what I mentioned. But even it does confirm that 6.42% of 2016 mail-in ballots were rejected.

I'll leave you to try to ponder how you got it wrong. I've long since given up trying to make you marginally numerate.

Still moaning that the WuFlu deaths are a federal issue I see. But somehow I suspect that in a few months time we'll see you and your fellow dills telling us how its not really China Joe's fault and aren't those red states all to blame.....or something.

But it may be that China Joe will be distracted for a while as he tries to keep his son out of prison. After all what's the point of subverting democracy if you can't even help your nearest and dearest commit treason.
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 10 December 2020 1:25:51 PM
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Mhaze, Some time ago I read about the US legal system that the judges
are political participants. All the local judges are elected at the
same time as local politicians.
About their Supreme Court as we heard they are appointed by the
President, but don't know if they can be appointed in another way.
However its rules are said to turn the supreme court into a third
legislative body which can make law.
So as far as the case that they will be considering with Texas vs
the others, if they consider it will be too much trouble to rerun
the election in those states they can approve the illegal changes
and make it new law.
This is the mess the US got into when they did not accept the
Westminster model. Then the President or PM would have been under
the control of the party members and could not make decisions on his own.
As I understand it the cabinet members are not members of the Reps
or the Senate. What a shambles. It really needs a rebuild.
I can see this going on for the next 4 or 8 years.
Posted by Bazz, Thursday, 10 December 2020 2:25:50 PM
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Dear mhaze,

You ask: “Oh dear SR, did you even read the article you linked?”

Oh I certainly did, which is why this is going to be good.

This is what you claimed; “In 2016 6.42% of mail-in ballots were rejected. 2020 it was 0.37%.”

Yet they were absentee votes in 2016 not mail in as such at all were they.

Perhaps you would like to rephrase.

Mail in ballots were driven by the Covid crisis and rightly so. Therefore I agree, let's compare apples with apples.

By the way this is Georgia's record;

“Georgia is recognized as a national leader in elections. It was the first state in the country to implement the trifecta of automatic voter registration, at least 16 days of early voting (which has been called the “gold standard”), and no-excuse absentee voting. Georgia continues to set records for voter turnout and election participation, seeing the largest increase in average turnout of any other state in the 2018 midterm election and record overall, early, in-person, and absentee-by-mail turnout during the November 2020 elections.”
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 10 December 2020 2:45:22 PM
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Seems to me many of the comments above have been made by people whose views on the US Presidential election are basically those pushed by the mainstream media, aided and abetted by Google, Twitter and Facebook on behalf of Democrat sponsored stooge Joe Biden. Note there is even footage of him making a speech claiming to the effect that "We have pulled off the greatest electoral fraud in US history". Is becoming increasingly obvious that if the election had been an honest one, Trump would have won with a landslide. However, the "Establishment /Deep State" largely based on the east and west coasts want him out. Note Trump was well ahead on election night in the six currently disputed states but then in early hours of following morning large numbers of votes mainly for Biden were added by obvious fraudulent means when it was becoming apparent that earlier cheating practices had not been enough for him to win.

So far court challenges have largely been unsuccessful. However, are more to come. Including latest with Texas, supported by 17 other Republican states taking a case to the US Supreme Court. Are still possibilities resulting in Biden not gaining enough accepted Electoral College votes to be declared winner. Including some maybe being rejected by Congress. Then remember Trump still has considerable executive power and also support in some arms of government, including the Pentagon. Seems one option maybe selectively invoking the 1807 Insurrection Act to restore election integrity. Could use it to seize and examine everything associated with vote counting in disputed states other than what cheats can successfully keep hidden.

Some so called "alternative" news sites should be watched for what has been going on and latest developments. Maybe the best with regular new articles is www.theepochtimes.com . Another is www.oann.com. Note that You Tube apparently recently closed their channel and it has also just announced a policy of removing all material making significant claims of electoral fraud. Another organisation trying to help keep the resistance to Biden becoming President down long enough so he can be inaugurated.
Posted by mox, Thursday, 10 December 2020 4:34:57 PM
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Dear mox,

Utter tripe.

Due to Covid the messaging from the Democrats was to support mail in voting. Trump pushed his supporters to attend in person on election day.

The mail in vote counting doesn't proceed before the election day rolls have been checked so that any person who attempts to vote by mail but also votes on the day only have the second counted. This ensures integrity of the system which you seem to want to support.

That is why Trump's so called early leads were of his own construction.

The 'alternative news sites' you are touting are purely to capture gullible people like yourself. Why do you think they are attractive to you?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 10 December 2020 4:44:17 PM
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Bazz wrote: "if they consider it will be too much trouble to rerun
the election".

If the Supreme Court approved the Texas suit (and I think that's unlikely) there wouldn't be a rerun of the election. Instead the selection of electors for the Electoral College would pass to the individual state Congresses for the 4 states in question. The election would stand in the other 46 states (or the other 53 if you're name is Obama).

The congress in the other 4 states would void the appointment of electors as selected by the election and appoint new electors. Remember that the Republicans have majorities in the Congresses of all 4 states in question.

Trump would win the electoral college and remain president. Again I think it unlikely. That wasn't the point of my post. Instead I just wanted to point out that there is plenty of evidence of fraud. The DNC, with the help of Big Tech, Big Media, the deep state and the CCP, stole the election and the US will never be the same.

SR,

You can always tell when SR suddenly, pathetically realises he's screwed up, yet again. He starts trying to muddy the water. Often its via inappropriate semantic arguments. Such as here where he suddenly wants to draw a distinction between absentee and mail-in votes - a distinction without a difference, at least in Georgia.

Still, he's on firmer ground when using words rather than numbers.
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 10 December 2020 4:54:00 PM
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Thanks Steele,

Thank god someone is trying to keep low-IQ commentators honest.

Cheers,

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Thursday, 10 December 2020 5:03:59 PM
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mox, Bazz, mhaze

A great speech Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani made in court http://youtu.be/TqXtiQ20BLw

Giuliani clearly has a knack for impressing upon the court - his spicy Lunch.

Just look at the expression of delight on the face of the lady next to him.

With appeal representation like http://youtu.be/TqXtiQ20BLw Trump is sure to win agin.
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 11 December 2020 12:13:51 AM
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We'll know pretty soon about the Texas suit.
From what I've read the law's pretty clear and tested regarding cut off times. Election day is exactly that, Election DAY.
The changes made by decree under the excuse of covid were quite unlawful.

Of course the fraud cases are still unanswered.

Trump won in a landslide. Illegal ballots don't count.

It's more than the person holding the office.
Posted by jamo, Friday, 11 December 2020 7:46:15 AM
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Note extract from a comment above by SteeleRedux after I pointed out that alternative news sites should be checked because sometimes they publish news and views which mainstream media largely has not or are somewhat different. Need to remember that all news sources get some things wrong at times - especially initially and sometimes what is published is effectively misleading propaganda.

Steele Redux claims: "The alternative news sites you are touting are purely to capture gullible people like yourself. Why do you think they are attractive to you?' A very appropriate quote summing up this is "Illiteracy in the 21st Century is not people who cannot read or write. It is those who resist unlearning lies they have been brainwashed to believe." Seems that SteeleRedux is one of those who would usually not even want to properly examine and consider alternative viewpoints to those expressed by the mainstream media. Especially if as lately re the US election just dismissing them as "fake news' and "baseless claims" and blindly accepting supposed "fact checks" as correct. Re this, seems CNN is currently the worst. Others to varying degrees are now starting to publish some of the often undeniable details of election fraud which some alternative news sites were the first to expose.
Posted by mox, Friday, 11 December 2020 8:29:31 AM
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Trump's filed to join the Texas suit and just now Pennsylvania’s House of Representatives has joined also.

mox, don't mind the personal insults. They speak loudest of the ones making them.
Posted by jamo, Friday, 11 December 2020 10:26:12 AM
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Very sad news about a much more intelligent and loved person than that worthless mongrel Trump:

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/celebrity-deaths/actress-barbara-windsor-dead-at-83-after-alzheimers-battle/news-story/2bd5f5d759214883cf0d21e70a825521

She gave many young men and boys enormous pleasure for decades.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Friday, 11 December 2020 11:56:48 AM
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To our Forum gang of Trumpster legal nitwits;

"The US Supreme Court (6 justices being conservative appointees) has brought an abrupt end to a long-shot lawsuit filed by Texas and backed by President Donald Trump seeking to throw out voting results in four states, dealing him a crushing setback in his quest to undo his election loss to president-elect Joe Biden."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-12/supreme-court-rejects-texas-lawsuit-donald-trump-us-elecion/12978044
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 12 December 2020 1:52:33 PM
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Yes Paul, I think that decision will settle it.
It is interesting as Texas said the rules they set for the election
contravened the US constitution so it will probably feed legal
argument for years and years like the abortion decision.
Glad we are not a republic.
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 12 December 2020 2:03:09 PM
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Hi Bazz

No the Supreme Court decision was not odd under US law.

The US Supreme Court quickly assessed that Texas had no case over Other States Electoral Systems.

Even the White House website admits http://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/elections-voting/

"Federal elections are administered by state and local governments, although the specifics of how elections are conducted differ between the states.

The Constitution and laws of the United States grant the states wide latitude in how they administer elections."
Posted by plantagenet, Saturday, 12 December 2020 7:21:11 PM
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Plantagenet; Not quiet as you say I think.
The rules of the elections do have to comply with the US constitution
in some matters.
But that had no relation as to why the Texas case was rejected.
The court said that Texas had no standing in the case.
It appears they did not consider the evidence. It was not relevant.
So, a whole lot of people will say therefore there was no fraud.
As far as I can make out nothing has changed, the swore statements
are still there and one expert witness has sworn that at least one
computer was connected to an unknown network during the counting.
She was not allowed to examine it further.
That computer has the scanning terminals on the site connected to it.
It accumulates the scanned ballots.
I saw a video explanation as to how the system operates.
It looked very good but it should not be connected to anything but
the terminals. Before use a test pack of ballots should be put
through and the count displayed and then repeated at any time.
That is the way I would run such a system.
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 12 December 2020 8:43:10 PM
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Indeed it's looking like the corruption and probably the intimidation is too widespread and effective.
I suppose we'll see what plays out.
This one, this election, being used to cover a coup, is the big one.
It's for all the marbles.
It's whether rule of law or corruption reigns supreme.
Posted by jamo, Saturday, 12 December 2020 8:46:26 PM
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Jamp, the new regime will not want to change what got them in and
so will miss an opportunity to make the system solid.
The oposition will treat it as the new normal.
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 12 December 2020 9:32:59 PM
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The Supreme Court rules - in a single sentence - that the Texas bid was invalid. Three of the justices on the SC were appointed by Trump.

Clearly, the world is packed full of phony people who Trump, out of his good heartedness, believes when they make statements, and therefore appoints them to the highest court in the land. Utter bastards, including Amy whatshername. The world is made up of bastards, all out to get Trumpf. All socialists and communists and pedophiles. Down with democracy.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Saturday, 12 December 2020 10:11:35 PM
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Indeed Bazz. That's why I say this one's for all the marbles.

Lot's to happen this week.
If the manipulated result states officially certify their results they'll only be signing off on their own fraud.

Many seem to expect Biden will concede before it's too late but I suspect it already is.
Posted by jamo, Sunday, 13 December 2020 8:36:45 PM
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Dear jamup

Only Trump's Trogs, in their dreams, had a forlorn hope that the legal winner, Biden, would concede.

The final nail deciding Donald's POTUS career occurs Tuedsay 15 Dec our time.

See http://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/the-electoral-college-meets-monday-to-vote-heres-what-to-expect seem

"the votes that officially matter will be cast Monday [US time, Tues our time]. That’s when the Electoral College meets.

The Constitution gives the electors the power to choose the president, and when all the votes are counted Monday, President-elect Joe Biden is expected to have 306 electoral votes, more than the 270 needed to elect a president, to 232 votes for President Donald Trump."

All Over Red Rover!
Posted by plantagenet, Sunday, 13 December 2020 10:00:22 PM
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jamo, Bazz,

Have you both lost your marbles? It sure looks like it.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 13 December 2020 10:26:45 PM
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Paul, err whats that ?
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 14 December 2020 6:10:28 AM
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Grins.
To borrow from a movie script. In an insane world the sane man must appear, insane.
Posted by jamo, Monday, 14 December 2020 3:16:00 PM
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G'day Bazza and jam-up-your

I bet youse are hoping for a swag of Trump bribed or threated "faithless electors" to figuratively

"cross the floor" in favour of Trump tomorrow.

But hark! All electors have poly-whispered to me their souls are pure.

So, all youse need to do is:

WAIT UP till 2am, Aussie Eastern Time tomorrow/Tuesday Dec 15th and continue waiting up till 12noon when some-say-sleepy Joe will speak.

OR

do what I'll do "The ABC will be running a live blog covering the electoral college vote, from 7:00am AEDT on December 15."

see http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-14/us-electoral-college-vote-joe-biden-donald-trump-president/12969538

Cheers

Your God planta :)
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 14 December 2020 5:20:29 PM
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Hi Pete, Bazz and jamo

Honestly I had no interest in the outcome of the US election, although I was anti Trump on the grounds he was a total FW. Gee, Biden will only carry on the traditions of American militarism and social inequality in the way all the pre Trump clowns did. I'm going to miss the old Trumpster and his carrying on's, as a comic he's good value, as for anything else he's a FW.

On the election result and the legal aftermath; Unless the US legal system is totally corrupt, which I suspect its no more corrupt than the British or Australians systems. The outcomes from legal litigation in America can be trusted with a fair degree of confidence that the outcome was determined honestly by judges within the boundary's of the law, I think that is fair in Tump's election dispute case.

The process as I see it, Trump went to state courts where he (his legal team) presented affidavits supporting his argument, and state electoral officials etc as required responded with alternate affidavits. The judges considered those claims, and the responses, and almost universally chucked them out as having no merit, and not worth proceeding to a full blown court hearing. At the federal level (the Texas claim) it was about points of law and the constitution, other matters had been delt with at a state level, The Supreme Court very quickly determined that the Texas case had no merit in points of law, and quickly chucked it out.

Trump was banking on conservative judges putting aside the law and applying their political partisanship to the outcome. Trump was seriously mistaken to think that way. Like in Australia and Britain, American judges take their oath of office most seriously and will steadfastly apply the law, even when it goes against their political grain.

cont
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 7:02:34 AM
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cont

My brother-in-law, now deceased, was a judge in NSW, very conservative, voted Liberal always. I liked the times we had political discussions as BIL would, although conservative, liked to understand all aspects of the argument. How many times during these discussions would BIT retreat to the position of "the law is". He always put the law above politics, even if it meant an outcome he didn't personally favour.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 7:04:22 AM
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Paul said;
The Supreme Court very quickly determined that the Texas case had no
merit in points of law, and quickly chucked it out.

Actually what they said was Texas had no standing in the court.
They did not consider the merits of the points of law.
Big difference.
Just read about all the paperwork it all goes through.
It is ridiculously complicated.
We count the votes and usually by midnight we know who is the next
government and PM.
Their system started even before the telegraph and so had to rely on
horse carried messages. It is about time they modernised it.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 9:50:03 AM
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Hi Bazza, jam-up and Paul

Texas is history.

The Electoral College voted today in affirming Trump lost and Biden Won. Hopefully Trump's pathological resistence to the fair vote result reality will now cease. But probably not.

Trump has just effectively sacked his own Attorney-General, Barr, just 35 days prior to the Trump Admin ending. This is because Barr told the public the truth that there was no major voter fraud.

Again read Paul's words of wisdom:

"Trump was banking on conservative judges putting aside the law and applying their political partisanship to the outcome. Trump was seriously mistaken to think that way. Like in Australia and Britain, American judges take their oath of office most seriously and will steadfastly apply the law, even when it goes against their political grain."
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 10:44:36 AM
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Bazz,

There should be no argument that Trump got a fair hearing and at the end of the day he lost fair and square. What appears to have happened is, there was a strong polarisation of the vote. Record numbers turned out to vote for Trump, but equally, or should I say there was a grater anti Trump vote which resulted in Biden's victory. Biden didn't win the election, Trump lost it! Long before the vote took place, Trump had telegraphed that should things pan out as they did, he was going to cry foul, and claim "wez waz robbed!", without creditable evidence that's exactly what he did.

If a blinkered far right view, along with Trump's unsubstantiated ravings on the subject prevents you and others from seeing that, so be it.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 6:02:03 PM
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Hi Paul

While today's vote appears to have curtailed Trump's LEGAL challenges.

Trump will run a campaign of POLITICAL challenges until Thursday 7th January (our time) 2021: see http://uk.reuters.com/article/usa-election/electoral-college-will-vote-monday-confirming-bidens-u-s-presidential-win-idUSKBN28O0FM

"Trump’s sole remaining gambit is to convince Congress to reject the results in January.

Under federal law, any member of Congress may object to a particular state’s electoral count during the Jan. 6 [US time] session. Each chamber of Congress must then debate the challenge before voting by simple majority on whether to sustain it.

The Democratic-controlled House of Representatives is sure to reject any such challenge, while senior Republicans in the Senate on Monday dismissed the idea of overturning the result."

COMMENT

Senior Republican Senators dismissing "the idea of overturning the result." looks promising.

BUT "morals like a Mafia Boss" President TRUMP has not yet leaned on Republican Senators, to get them to block the House of Representative's virtually automatic confirmation of the Electoral College decision.

The Senate IS LIKELY to accede on 6/7 Jan, but nothing is certain under Trump's threatening rule.
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 6:33:31 PM
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I don't have a clue where it goes from here.
Reading some reports on examination of the Dominion ballot accumulating
computer it seems like it has all the obviously required functions.
However one obvious problem is the rejected ballot because they are
invalid because of voters mistakes and are held for adjustment.
In bulk all rejects can be made valid by setting all held ballots
to vote for one candidate at the selection of the election officer.
So all a election officer would have to do would be to turn the corner
over on a ballot and the mark sensing reader would invalidate the
ballot and it would go for validation.I guess almost all of us would have used
"Settings" to set a computer program for our use.
It appears that these computers have such a function in their manual.
However could there be undocumented settings options ?
Only by getting the source code and recompiling and comparing the
produced program with the one in a used machine before it was switched off.
A store dump would be essential.
That is what the companies now engaged to examine them now face.
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 6:55:42 PM
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Just an addition thought, an election officer could insert a hundred
or so ballots into the scanner upside down, they would all be rejected
and would be in the computer for adjudication as they call it.
All could be set as a vote for Biden or Trump.
Probably other tricks that the operators would be well aware of.
Perhaps some of us could get together and offer the Greens the government !
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 7:05:54 PM
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"Perhaps some of us could get together and offer the Greens the government !" Who are the some of us Bazz, the Neo-Nazi's? Better suggestion, get the redundant dictator your man Trump to take over Australia.

As for the perhaps this or that nonsense, anything is possible. In the case of the American election all the non-partisan independent analysis of the 150 million vote is it was carried out fairly and the result was legitimate. Trump can jump up and down all he likes but at the end of the day he LOST fair and square.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 17 December 2020 7:08:18 AM
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Well Paul, on the figures you think he lost.
But wouldn't that be the purpose of the fiddle ?
The point I am making is that on the publicly available information
it would be easy to fake the results.
It does require the active intervention of the operator.
It has a facility to do a 3 to 2 adjustment to what it reads.
That is a documented feature apparently.
Knowing this it relies on very close scrutiny by the appointed
scrutineers from the parties.
As they were held at a distance and then sent home while some stayed
behind and counted ballots, you can perhaps, if you let your bias go,
find room to admit there is doubt !
There are a number of enquiries into the system so the truth will out.
Here is one report; test your impartiality !
http://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20423772-antrim-county-forensics-report
Posted by Bazz, Thursday, 17 December 2020 7:52:37 AM
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Bazz, nothing is going to satisfy you of the far right the Biden won in a landslide (Trumps 2016 words). So get over it, Trump had his day in court and LOST. The issue now should be how does the Republican Party divest itself of the Trump cancer over the next four years. Any ideas?
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 17 December 2020 10:44:23 AM
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Hi Bazz,

I think I get your logic: because a fiddle may have been possible, THEREFORE it happened. and only for the benefit of Democrat votes..

Prove it. Asseritur gratis, negatur gratis.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Thursday, 17 December 2020 11:08:01 AM
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No Paul & Loudmouth, you are making the assumption that there was no fiddle.
I am saying on the face of reports on the system and videos there COULD have been a fiddle.
I have no way of saying there was or wasn't.
You both however are saying there wasn't ! Show that or is it wishful thinking on your part ?
There is sworn evidence that there was so it should be looked into.
Posted by Bazz, Thursday, 17 December 2020 12:39:53 PM
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Bazz,

In little words:

if you want to prove, test, demonstrate, elucidate that something happened on the sole grounds that it COULD have happened, then you alone have the burden of proof. Nobody else has to give a flying ...... toss.

If you assert that something COULD have happened, then you also have to show that it DID happen (because it COULD): big step from one to the other. Ideally, HOW it happened, also.

After all, for all I know, Nicole Kidman could be madly in love with me. She could, after all, somehow. But I would need to prove it, to find some evidence for what COULD be. Sadly, I don't think I'll be able to. But it COULD be !

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Thursday, 17 December 2020 12:50:06 PM
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Hi Joe,

Under our electoral system, fraud can take place. Example; I could ask you to pre poll for me. "Now Joe don't forget to vote for the Nazi's like I always do!"..."Yes Paul"... You go off and vote for the Commies in my name, very easily done. I can fill out dear old grans postal vote, the way I want, not her way. Even the Returning Officer could put an incorrect count in. When the votes are counted its up to the RO as to which challenged votes he/she passes or rejects. A recount could pick some of that up. That's why the recount is always marginally different to the original count, small mistakes are made. If you lose by say 10 votes you have a good chance with a recount, but a 1,000 votes, no chance at all in Australia.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 17 December 2020 3:43:27 PM
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Hi Joe,

Very concerned about the "family" in Fiji, all in Fiji are in danger as Cyclone Yasa heads directly for the Islands. A very powerful category 5 storm with 200km/hr winds, heavy rain and flooding. Everyone is hoping for the best, but expecting the worse tomorrow.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 17 December 2020 4:27:55 PM
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Hi Paul,

I hope to god that everybody will be safe, hunkered down. I've never been through a real cyclone, so I can't even imagine how frightening one can be. I wish you and yours all the best,

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Thursday, 17 December 2020 4:45:45 PM
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Paul & Loudmouth, well now I understand the intensity of your bias.
It is as if you were driving a car with a low reading speedometer and
you get booked for exceeding the speed limit.
Your argument is oh no can't book me because I believe my speedo !

With an attitude like that there is nothing more to say.
Cheers have a nice xmas.
Posted by Bazz, Thursday, 17 December 2020 8:09:49 PM
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