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Queensland isn't just a COVID-19 election : Comments

By Graham Young, published 27/10/2020

Annastacia Palaszczuk has support for her COVID stance, but is still struggling to do better than last election. Much worse and Queensland will have a minority government.

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God, I give up trying to understand Queensland election outcomes.
They truly are their own Grandpa up there!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7x1ETPkZsk

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 8:55:01 AM
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Queensland was great until Wayne Goss & his ignorant outfit wormed their way into Govt with the help of southern leftist do-gooders !
Of course the LNP dimwit who manipulated Joh out of office was as bad if not worse than Goss !
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 9:17:12 AM
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every Government that has supported heartless useless lockdowns and border closures should be thrown out. Unfortunately the stupidity of the masses has kicked in with many being stupid enough to think that masks and locksdowns have saved lives. And we continue to pay these 'experts'. The lnp has shown through cowardice that they are not qualified to lead despite being much better than the totally corrupt mob in power. What a sad bunch of leaders we have!
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 10:03:46 AM
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The campaign add I find most amusing is the Labor job add.

They are advertising that the LNP would sack 30000 Queenslanders. The idea is Queensland can't afford the loss of these jobs. These are obviously the extra public servants Labor have stacked the bureaucracy with during their term.

Of course by association this mean Labor believe we can afford the two & a quarter Billion dollars a year it takes to pay these excess bureaucrats.

I wonder what an extra 2&1/4 Billion annually would do for the health care system?
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 10:57:23 AM
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Hasbeen said- I wonder what an extra 2&1/4 Billion annually would do for the health care system?

Answer- With respect Hasbeen- then the 3000 Government Bureaucrats would just be working within the Health Care Bureaucracy. Many of them as part of Queensland Health.

I would like the health care system opened up to the private sector more- this could perhaps be achieved by reducing red tape- and open standards- similar to the IT industry. Currently leftists appear to be dominating major hospitals (and semi government institutions)- a more open strategy might make the industry a more balanced representation of the population.

I would also like to see health services using less labor intensive and costly processes by leveraging technology and managing the time of high value expertise and equipment (such as MRI Scanners) better
Posted by Canem Malum, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 11:27:58 AM
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Who knows many have already voted. And many LNP supporters support the way the Premier stood up to Canberra and those dim witts who wanted to let er rip Boris!

Before you vote, compare our outcome with those of the UK, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal and the mighty USA. And who got us there, Then look to Victora and a final second wave outcome of no cases and no deaths.

Had the Victorian Premier folded, as most of the hard-right, blabbermouth shock jocks and the conservative element wanted, the second wave would be followed by a third and a fourth. And folk terrified to leave their homes to go out and buy something?
Or just show up for work. That's not how you get the economy up and running

But rather, with rapid testing and those testing positive, marked with an indelible dye. Good for at least 2 weeks! So other folks can just give them and those wearing head cover/hoodies, etc, a very wide berth and storekeepers/doorkeepers can direct them to the exit. I mean, you cannot enter a bank wearing a full-face helmet or habjid?

And we need to see where drive-ins and drive-throughs can replace traditional shopping and entertainment/sporting venues

I wouldn't mind in the case of obstinate non-compliance, a cattle prod used to ensure it at all such uncover or exit point directives were complied with expeditiously/immediately!

People charged with that traffic control role, fully protected with PE, face masks and face shields! And spitters should be prodded repeatedly into a safe corner and held there until arrested, then charged with criminal assault!

Look, a healthy economy needs a healthy workforce. A healthy recovery needs healthy, non-contagious consumers, and a way to ensure the Asymptomatic super spreaders are isolated by whatever means that takes to ensure compliance.

The UK is having its second wave due to belligerent non-compliance and with only an 11% compliance rate!

Well done right-wing shock jocks and a clearly incompetent CONSERVATIVE (I'm alright jack) leadership, the like of who want to politicise a pandemic, and the devil take the hindmost!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 27 October 2020 11:37:58 AM
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Judging by all the rightwing comments above (with the honourable exception of Alan B.) thank Christ I left Queensland.

In my Gatton-Ipswich stamping ground even local Labor were rightwing. Armed extreme rightists, with their unlicensed Rottie-Mastiff pig dogs, had police and dog catchers scared.

So, to use Queensland's collective noun, even spoken in richer parts of Brisbane, YOUSE enjoy it.

Yours

A Mexican, South of the Border, where everyone's a Communist :)
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 2:51:47 PM
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with their unlicensed Rottie-Mastiff pig dogs, had police and dog catchers scared.
plantagenet,
That's odd, because you perfectly described the Labor Voters on Cape York ! Looks like our red-necks are different to yours.
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 3:19:17 PM
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That's 30,000 Canem Malum, not 3000.

You did well to get out of Gatton-Ipswich with your shirt plantagenet, the way all those Labor councilors out there were on the take, it's a wonder anyone in the district has a shirt to their name.

With councilors like them, & parliamentarians like Jackie Trad, the only recovery Labor pollies are likely to lead is their own, & bugger the people.
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 5:28:01 PM
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Deb Whatshername, an unknown quantity at best. My first state election in Queensland. Met the local member, a very nice lady, I voted last week. With the LNP you get a corrupt type like Joh Bjelke-Petersen, or a useless type like Campbell Newman, seems there is nothing in between. Not sure what type Whatshername is, but she was cosying up to property developers a couple of weeks ago, bad vibe there, and she did think getting a takeaway cappuccino coffee with an open boarder was more important than protecting Queenslanders wellbeing. Easy to see where Whatshername's priorities lie, with property developers and business owners. Where are the LNP costings for all their promises, and how many job cuts can Queenslanders expect.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 6:48:24 PM
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Finally !
A Govt with a long-term vision !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz-vk80JQMQ&feature=youtu.be
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 6:50:36 PM
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Pauliar,

And with labor you get all the corruption of Trad with the incompetence of Anna.
Posted by shadowminister, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 6:55:36 AM
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The Qld nationals appear to have more sense if the link is anything to go by.

https://www.mygc.com.au/lnp-unveils-tough-new-plan-to-target-youth-offenders/
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 7:55:19 AM
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Hasbeen said- "That's 30,000 Canem Malum, not 3000."

Answer- Thanks for the correction Hasbeen.
Posted by Canem Malum, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 7:41:32 PM
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Isn't it amazing how the progressive crowd remains so utterly stumm on the Qld Coalition's proposed move to cut back on youth crime ?

Also, the although insanely priced Water scheme, does not appear to make see the positives for so many in the future !
I suppose it just clearly displays their mentality towards others !
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 9:15:56 PM
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Interesting links Individual- I know many here will be pleased with the promotion of the Bradfield Scheme. Kudos.
Posted by Canem Malum, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 10:06:55 PM
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This Bradfield type of proposal is definitely the way forward. It would provide everything from living area, food production, recreation & a host of indirect industries/employment for many & for many years to come. It'd be a kind of future-proofing Queensland & inland Australia.
Throw in a non military National Service along the way.
I always thought that big dams could serve another vital function besides water & electricity, they could help with garbage disposal also. Garbage could be mulched & mixed with a binding material similar to cement with gravel & the valley beyond the dam could be land-filled for decades to come. This would also make a big dam breach-proof & literally make it a natural lake.
Posted by individual, Friday, 30 October 2020 6:53:24 AM
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Desperate Deb, is trying everything to win. Everything from getting into bed with the two Nazi parties, to vote buying with a $300 cash splash. Will it work, time will tell.

Indy,

There are rare occasions I agree with you. Now is such an occasion. A "Bradfield" type scheme, if feasible, and sustainable, is good from several aspects, nation building, training/employment, economic benefit etc. Unfortunately I have to look at this from Politian's during an election campaign with some scepticism, a good idea at the time soon forgotten post election. The Morrison governments economic response has mostly been a wasteful knee-jerk, piss and wind reaction, with no future benefit. I cannot believe at the end of the day Australia will have incurred a trillion of debt, high unemployment and have nothing to show for it, like after a boozy party, nothing more than a gigantic headache! Don't get me wrong Labor would have did no better.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 30 October 2020 8:45:18 AM
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Deb is too much like that dull-chap Ahern in her mannerism & intonation ! If she does win then it's only due to ordinary people doing it tougher than we think !
Posted by individual, Friday, 30 October 2020 4:45:30 PM
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Gee, this would put the cat among the pigeons with our forums Old Fart brigade, arouse them from their peaceful slumber, down at the 'Shady Rest Retirement Village', where they all hang out.

It could end up a hung parliament, with Labor the biggest numerical party, but not having an absolute majority. Dangerous Deb and her LNP, along with Nazi support from ON, would be left as a minority. That would leave THE GREENS with 2 or 3 seats forming minority government with LABOR.

Come in Hasbeen, Individual, ttbn and all the other you know what.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 31 October 2020 5:56:44 AM
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Paul1405,
It appears you don't know what the Nazis were all about. Better read up on them & prepare yourself for the shock that they were similar to the mentality of the mob you support !
Posted by individual, Saturday, 31 October 2020 6:49:43 AM
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As far as this Bradfield scheme's final cost goes, I'd say don't even think about it. Just start it !
It'll look after itself as the benefits come along & snowball ! The main thing is to start it !
Posted by individual, Saturday, 31 October 2020 6:57:20 AM
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Not so Indy, I have read extensively about national socialism over the years, and much of the philosophy of the far right parties in Australia and elsewhere embrace the tenants of NS. Trumps cry of "Make America great again", One Nation and their radical racism, limiting of free speech etc, these things are all out of Hitler's playbook. Of course these extremists don't want to be seen in the same light as Nazi's, but no matter how they dress up, they can be seen through.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 31 October 2020 8:29:45 AM
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Paul1405,
Reading everything but trying nothing is the recipé for the disaster we're experiencing now !
Posted by individual, Sunday, 1 November 2020 6:14:32 AM
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The morning after.

Hail Caesar! Hail Annastacia! In politics winners are grinners, its all about winning, ALP won, LNP lost. Labor will form a majority government for the next four years, end of story.

What about the rest, Palaszczuk didn't need to be gracious in victory, but she was, even said Dangerous Deb ran a good campaign. Not so, it was mostly garage, to think DD declared she will lead the LNP for another 4 years. A couple of Debs motley crew, those still standing, should tap her on the shoulder and tell her; "Deb its time to go". If you call promising to build the "Taj Mahal" in Queensland a couple of weeks before the election, so you can score pre poll and postal votes, and then dropping it 2 days before polling day, a good ploy, then it was a sneaky deceitful ploy that might have won over the gullible and the stupid. The "lock up the nasty lads" in Townsville failed to cut the mustard with voters up there. DD's open boarders policy was a shocker, it might have won her the votes of coffee shop owners in Coolangatta, but scared the bejesus out of the majority down that way. Labor was always on a winner when they put health in front of wealth when it came to Covid-19, but Deb did get the Coolie coffee shop owners vote, very important

cont
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 1 November 2020 6:17:17 AM
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cont

As for the rest of them, The Greens f'ed up again, if they organised their pre-polls and postal votes better they would have won 4 seats not 2, and things might have seen them with the balance of power, just maybe. But for The Greens, well the Green bloke will now have the Green gal to talk to in parliament, he wont feel so alone. Now the far right parties The crazy Katter's held their seat in the Deep Deep North, where men are men and cows better watch their back sides. Don't know about his boy, but Bobs good value, always liked Bob. Then there was One Nation, well what a disaster, their vote sank to almost nothing, except for that of their one member. Their Unterfuhrer James Ashby appeared on telly briefly to have a rant and a dummy spit, and that was the end of them. The Big Coal, Big Business, Big Clive Party, well 0.6% of the vote, Big Clive wasted a whole lot of other peoples money, as per usual. His claim, or should I say outright lie, of a 20% Death tax from Labor, cut through like a plastic knife cuts through titanium. Oh well I'm sure Big Clive still has plenty of other peoples money to waste next time. Oh! an independent won her seat back, good for her!
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 1 November 2020 6:21:55 AM
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Paul1405,
Why are you accusing the Right of the things that are the Left's doing ? What you constantly describe as the 'far right" is in actual fact the Left !
Posted by individual, Sunday, 1 November 2020 6:30:15 AM
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Indy,

I partly agree with you, the French have a lot to answer for when it comes to left and right. I much prefer the descriptive terms such as moderate or extreme, radical, progressive, conservative, liberal, socialists. Then its a matter of the particular political context. Convention dictates left and right. In Australia the extreme such as One Nation attract little support most of the time. Moderate progressive politics dominates, with the vast majority of representation coming from that section. Moderate progressives form about 2/3 of the Liberal party, 3/4 Labor, 90% Greens. Nationals tend to be more or less conservative, but embrace a high degree of socialism when conditions suit. I don't even rate Palmer, just an opportunist driven by self interest.

Americans are just discovering the value of progressive politics, and its being opposed by "radicals" from the major parties, Trump is a radical who opposes the progressive movement. I don't believe Trump has all that strong convictions one way or the other, seems to be driven by self interest, a bit like Palmer, everything is a tool to be used for advantage, but he's been successful in tying his self-interest to the large US conservative political base.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 1 November 2020 7:29:49 AM
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His claim, or should I say outright lie, of a 20% Death tax from Labor
Paul1405,
This will come back in haunt you. I'm just hopeful that this QLD Govt. will do more or rather do something for non-Public servants during the next term.
Also,
I hope that Indigenous communities will be viewed as communities rather than just tokenism.
Of course, as always with Labor, registration fees will rise yet again as will petty infringement fines whilst hard-core crime will get treated with even silkier gloves.
As one famous OA Australian said to me yesterday, "Labor are too lenient on crime".
Let's hope that COVID-19 has taught them a lesson to curb squandering Tax Dollars somewhat !
For all our sake I wish them well !
Posted by individual, Sunday, 1 November 2020 8:59:04 AM
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Whether on not Labour would have gotten back in without Covid is a valid question but the real question is why arguably the most conservative State in Australia should consistently elect Labour governments since the time of Joh?

Friendly Jordies put forward the proposition that it was because Queensland doesn't have an upper house, one that can temper the excesses of what has become as toxic side of politics. So when the likes of Cambell Newman gets in and wreaks havoc for a term it is full blown naked economic rationalism on display. After that it is three terms in the wilderness for them while the collective memory of how terrible they were fades.

Federally the Libs have the luxury of the Senate to keep them in check and electable. Not so for Queensland. Perhaps getting rid on upper houses has some merit.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Sunday, 1 November 2020 11:28:09 AM
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Hi Steele,

I did a bit of the pre-polling HTV's for a couple of days, the big issue was Covid-19, and the way the Palaszczuk government had handled the pandemic. A new issue arose given the high number of pre-polls and postils. The LNP promised a huge Bradfield style project, totally un-costed, something that would cost billions. They touted it as a reality, and it was a vote getter for weeks, raking in plenty of pre-polls on a unrealistic at this time promise, then they dropped it like a hot potato, as being unviable two days before the final vote. Good old Indy and others fell for that ploy, hook, line and sinker.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 1 November 2020 1:34:57 PM
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The Qld Labor Govt. had several years to strenghten its backbone which is the Public Service.
This has guaranteed them the votes but it also guarantees that no funding will be available for things really needed.
Business should & probably will revolt when the Govt. slaps on more taxes to cover the cost of the backbone !
Posted by individual, Sunday, 1 November 2020 2:19:03 PM
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Dangerous Deb, got the tap on the shoulder, she's cactuses! When you make predictions in articles, you should have some rationale behind them, instead of relying on your own personal political bias.
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 2 November 2020 1:47:05 PM
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I noticed our ABC has ramped up the anti Morrison rhetoric. The Qld result must have given them the initiative once more.
I'm just waiting for COVID-21 when those presently hailed figures will once more top the scales & the money runs short. The retirement village ex-public servant inmates got the blame for helping Anna over the line. They didn't like when Pauline & Deb told them to stay put in their subsidised luxury condos so the the border can be re-opened for business. No, let everyone suffer as long as they can enjoy their undeserved taxpayer funded benefits !
Typical labor voters !
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 8:04:55 AM
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Dear individual,

Oh please. Time to dry up. There was no public servant vote tipping the scales, the LNP got thrashed. Not only that they were directly responsible for the election of a second Green.

For you to be touting this line smacks deeply of a sook.

Give it a rest.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 9:08:59 AM
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Once upon a time Indy had bad dreams about Reds under his bed. Now the poor chap is having nightmares about public servants in his bed.

Steele, you of all people should know Australia's 67 million retired public servants all live in condos on the Gold Coast, they all vote for Labor, and The Greens, and for each other, and for themselves. Last week they were all living in Melbourne helping that bad man Dan keep Melbournians locked up, or down or in, something like that!

Indy, just think, without all those PS people who would put your welfare into the bank each fortnight. And as you said they've been doing that since 1972, you haven't had a job since arriving as a refo in 1972 and Gough gave you the sack after one day from your low grade PS job. Gough had no right to take your mop and bucket like he did, shame on Gough!
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 1:16:14 PM
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Paul1405- "Once upon a time Indy had bad dreams about Reds under his bed. Now the poor chap is having nightmares about public servants in his bed."

Answer- Well there are red public servants abusing the education of our children about gay marriage and sex- why wouldn't they sea-lion into Indy's bed.
Posted by Canem Malum, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 2:15:19 PM
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I seem to be hitting one nerve after another with Paul1405 & SteeleRedux !
Why else would they defend immoral wasting of taxpayer Dollars to such a grand scale ? They're members of the swamp dwellers, that's why !
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 4 November 2020 4:16:17 PM
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