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Revise UN Charter to contain China's belligerence : Comments

By Sudhanshu Tripathi, published 1/7/2020

The view from India: unite to form a common front against China

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The author, clearly a utopian academic, wants to move heaven and Earth against China - all because 20 Indian soldiers were killed by China in the recent border skirmish.

The author's wishlist is ridiculous, eg: "revising the UN Charter as well as International Law":

- "with a view to terminating China's permanent membership in the UN Security Council" and

- "withholding the permanent recognition granted to it by all sovereign states."

His most laughable suggestion is:

"China's weapons, including nuclear weapons, must also be put under UN control"

China would start a nuclear war if some international Coalition tried to seize China's nuclear weapons.

If the author toned down his knee-jerk, grab-bag of suggestions it would be more achievable and believable.

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 1 July 2020 12:18:12 PM
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Keep your friends close and you enemies closer. The best defence we could have against any potential Chinese aggression is knowing their culture. Chinese language and culture lessons should be compulsory in all our schools just as English is in theirs.
Posted by jimmy2shoes, Wednesday, 1 July 2020 5:43:15 PM
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jimmy2shoes,

I can't stand even listening to Chinese let alone want to speak it.

It has to be one of the world's most horrible sounding languages.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Wednesday, 1 July 2020 9:52:59 PM
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<< It is evident that China has blatantly taken recourse to unethical means - grabbing land areas, maritime channels and the air space of other countries - with a view to assume unquestioned and unparalleled hegemony over the entire world. >>
What overblown unsubstantiated hyperbole!
What land is China grabbing? Yes, there are border disputes with India, but parts of that border have never been clearly defined or sorted out fairly between both parties. Both countries are equally accusing each other of land grabs. Another legacy of Britain's imperial interference in drawing up borders it knew nothing about.
Maritime channels? Yes, China is shoring up its presence in the South China Sea. Most of its trade passes through this area and it has every right to defend these channels. None of this would be happening if the US hadn't been aggressively threatening China for the last decade or so.
And what air space is China invading? It's regularly suffering its own skies being invaded by the US, but I'm not certain it's displaying the same arrogant aggression anywhere else, unless again, you're referring to the disputed Indian border territory.
We've got Scott Morrison here causing more than enough damage with his belligerent beating of the war drums against China. We don't need any Indian professors adding to the sabre rattling.
If you really want to help Australia, Sudhanshu, perhaps you could try and reign in your country's big corporate cowboy, Adani. His mine will do far more damage to Australia and the world than anything emanating from China.
Posted by Bronwyn, Thursday, 2 July 2020 12:32:46 AM
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Mr O, I have found that most middle aged angry self entitled white people,(lets call them Karens) dont like the sound of any foreign language. I have actually witnessed these types of people while on holiday in foreign countries angrily berating nationals for not speaking English. I think as a country we need to move on and teach our kids not to be xenophobic, most Europeans can speak 2 or more languages , they cant do business without knowing English because this is the language of their trading partners. We need to become a little smarter about this.
Posted by jimmy2shoes, Thursday, 2 July 2020 12:51:10 PM
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jimmy2shoes,

What's that got to do with the fact that I think Chinese is a horrible sounding language.

Surely you wouldn't place it on the same level as French and Italian.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Thursday, 2 July 2020 1:01:11 PM
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My point is that your dislike of hearing Chinese is based on cultural distaste, if you could understand it you wouldnt dislike it. And not sure what you mean by "on the same level", Chinese (Mandarin) is much more complicated than any European language. We really should be making bilingual kids at a young age. Mandarin and Indonesian should be compulsory in my opinion, these 2 cultures will be our major trading parties in the future, our Anglo centric view of the world needs to end.
Posted by jimmy2shoes, Thursday, 2 July 2020 1:54:27 PM
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jimmy2shoes,

ARE YOU LISTENING? I'm talking about how it sounds. It's horrible!

French and Italian are the world's two most beautiful sounding languages. They are like music to the ears.

You do Chinese and leave me with doing French and Italian.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Thursday, 2 July 2020 2:45:31 PM
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wasn't it the UN who created that rogue state of ?? Pakistan. Have they ever done any good anywhere?
Posted by runner, Thursday, 2 July 2020 2:51:32 PM
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Imperialist Britain was responsible for the arbitrary creation of Pakistan ... and for the ongoing hostilities between India and Pakistan ever since.
I'm guessing the UN is one of your many whipping boys, Runner, but you really do need to do some basic checking before sinking the boot.
Posted by Bronwyn, Thursday, 2 July 2020 3:25:23 PM
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Hi runner

Here's one you and I surely object to. China is forcing its Muslims to have more ABORTIONS.

ABC News, 30 June 2020 reports http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-30/china-forces-birth-control-on-uyghurs-to-suppress-population/12404912

"China imposes forced abortion, sterilisation on Uyghurs, investigation shows"

"The Chinese Government is taking draconian measures to slash birth rates among Uyghurs and other minorities as part of a sweeping campaign to curb its Muslim population, even as it encourages some of the country's Han majority to have more children.

Key points:

- Use of forced abortions, IUDs and sterilisation has seen birth rates in Uyghur-dominated areas drop rapidly

- The United States has condemned targeted birth control in Xinjiang

- Some experts warn the revelations are further evidence of intention to commit genocide against Uyghurs

...[China's] campaign, over the past four years in the far west region of Xinjiang, is leading to what some experts are calling a form of "demographic genocide".

[The Chinese Government] regularly subjects minority women to pregnancy checks, and forces intrauterine devices (IUDs), sterilisation and even abortion on hundreds of thousands, the interviews and data show...."
Posted by plantagenet, Thursday, 2 July 2020 4:45:24 PM
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'Runner, but you really do need to do some basic checking before sinking the boot.'
thanks for correction Browyn. You are right.

plantagenet

I agree totally with you on this one. More and more I wonder if we should ever had traded with China. I suppose we all were happy to have cheap Bunnings goods. Killing the unborn is just one of the numerous State sanctioned killings the Communist are involved in.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 2 July 2020 4:52:58 PM
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Everyone is lining up to get out of Hong Kong so here's Australia's big chance to grab a few million cashed up Chinese before the UK or Canada grabs them.

Think of the money. We need to bring in millions of cashed up Chinese in order to restart the economy post-WuFlu pandemic.

Go Scotty! Grab them before they go somewhere else.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Thursday, 2 July 2020 4:59:08 PM
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Italian, now theres a language i cant stand. Loud, lots of arm waving, I dont mind Chinese. Maybe we should allow all those HK Chinese here, to outnumber the Muslims.
Posted by jimmy2shoes, Friday, 3 July 2020 6:13:42 PM
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White farmers from Zimbabwe, Christians from Syria ... and now anti-Chinese protestors from Hong Kong ... all welcomed to Australia with open arms. Anyone else who dares seek asylum here ... especially those pesky Muslims ... gets banged up in offshore detention and sent packing. Nothing like a good old discriminatory immigration policy ... Morrison and Dutton are the jackboot masters of border control.
Posted by Bronwyn, Saturday, 4 July 2020 12:18:31 PM
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Bronwyn,

You are saying that there are "anti-Chinese protestors from Hong Kong".

If the people of Hong Kong are racists then we don't want them here.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Saturday, 4 July 2020 1:01:25 PM
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Hi Bronwyn, all immigration policies are discriminatory, they have to be. In Australias case we have a long queue of people wishing to immigrate here, its only smart to discriminate and take only those who are skilled enough and who can contribute to social cohesion rather than those groups who isolate themselves from mainstream Australian society. In this case I think for those reasons immigrants from HK would make excellent Australians.
Posted by jimmy2shoes, Saturday, 4 July 2020 1:37:16 PM
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What groups isolate themselves from Australian society? And who decides who are the ones likely to fall into this category?
I haven't met or heard of an immigrant or asylum seeker yet who doesn't want to fit in and be part of life here. It's not always easy though to overcome unwelcoming attitudes and blatant discrimination. If you or I migrated to another country, I'm sure we'd be drawn to mixing with other Aussies, as well as trying to assimilate into our new environment as best we could. The two are not mutually exclusive.
No matter how you try to dress it up, there is no denying that our migration policy today still bears strong shades of White Australia.
Posted by Bronwyn, Saturday, 4 July 2020 2:12:49 PM
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Sorry Bronwyn you are wrong, Islamic immigrants integrate poorly into Australian society. This is based on the inter marriage rate, by the second generation immigrants such as Vietnamese and Chinese are having a much higher inter marriage rate than Muslims. Australia also experiences a number of so called "honour killings" every year and FGM is common amongst the Muslim communities here. Females are also commonly segregated from males. Not by any stretch it could be considered that this is "fitting in".
Posted by jimmy2shoes, Saturday, 4 July 2020 2:34:21 PM
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Bronwyn,

I think it is obvious to everyone by now that China is looking for a reason to pick a fight with Australia and I think if Scott Morrison decides to open the gate to people from Hong Kong allowing them to flee China and escape to Australia it might be the straw that breaks the camel's back for China.

You need to keep in mind that the people of Hong Kong are Chinese citizens who would be breaking China's laws if they flee to Australia and China will see Australia as harbouring subversive criminals against the Chinese State.

I think Scott Morrison has to think very carefully about this one because if he sanctions Chinese fleeing China to avoid its laws he might just be inviting an invasion by China who might just see it as an act of war.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Saturday, 4 July 2020 2:51:03 PM
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Mr O, China does not have the ability to invade Australia, thats just fear mongering.
Posted by jimmy2shoes, Saturday, 4 July 2020 4:16:45 PM
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jimmy2shoes,

If that's the case then why is China so intent on picking a fight with Australia?
Posted by Mr Opinion, Saturday, 4 July 2020 4:33:28 PM
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Mr O, i think its obvious that China is attempting to replace the US as the dominant force in the Asia pacific region. Australia is seen to be the US "deputy Sheriff" in the region and as such is a target. Divide and conquer, unfortunately their strategy of using economic tactics to make us back down is not working for a couple of reasons. 1. They need us more than we need them, they are almost completely reliant on Australia for resources to run their economy. 2. We do not have a weak leader but one who recognises point 1. In my opinion Morrison has handled this well.
My point about China not being able to invade Australia is not lost on the Chinese, despite geographical hindrances their armed forces do not have much of a reach capability, they may have millions of troops they can use as cannon fodder but without a land border to send them over their numerical advantage is useless. I sense a lot of frustration coming out of Beijing at the moment, they considered Australia to be pliable to their demands and dont know quite what to do now. We are lucky we have a Morrison government at the moment, if someone like Rudd was running the show we would be bent over with sore bums by now. And Keating needs to but out, in his time he took us where we needed to go in Asia and created enormous trade opportunities but these are different times and circumstances.
Posted by jimmy2shoes, Saturday, 4 July 2020 7:38:22 PM
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jimmy2shoes,

I found this on the news site this morning:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-05/china-and-us-on-collision-course-lessons-from-history/12415316

Alarming stuff. People are starting to realise that putting their trust in the Chinese is a big mistake.

It appears that the US and China are both conducting large-scale naval exercises in the South China Sea this month.

How many CCP agents and PLA operatives are living in Australia under the pretext of being migrants, all waiting for the thumbs up from Beijing to go into operation on our home soil?
Posted by Mr Opinion, Sunday, 5 July 2020 11:34:00 AM
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Mr O, I dont think the Chinese have many "sleepers" here. I think most ethnic Chinese who actually migrate here come from places like Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia. Our real danger comes from people like Andrew Forest prepared to sell out our country for 30 pieces of silver. I also think we all need to stop harping on about the economic ramifications of upsetting the Chinese, no one is going to starve in Australia if our trade stops with them but plenty will in China. We buy electronic goods from China and they buy food and natural resources from us, both things which are in comparatively short supply in China but in abundance here. the trade they are attempting to disrupt at the moment is basically luxury items, if they were in any way serious about disrupting our economy and if they were able to then iron ore and basic food stuffs is the first thing they would stop buying.. They wont because they cant.
Posted by jimmy2shoes, Friday, 10 July 2020 8:28:29 PM
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