Foxy,

Considering that the test is colour blind, I find the accusation that the test has been used to discriminate against minorities somewhat implausible, and in fact the reverse should be true.

Note that IQ can be affected by poor nutrition or injury, but it is a snapshot of an individual's ability to solve problems and is the single most effective method of testing IQ available today.

LEGO,

I see you come from a long line of violent people. You say you did your homework, exactly what did that involve? You appeared to have made several seismic shifts in thinking over a short period of time. Being a "commie killer", to an apartheid fighter, to a white supremacists, an amazing amount of transformation.

For my way of thinking, simply basing a persons worth according to their race is flawed and unacceptable. To generalise a whole race of people according to a European devised IQ test is also of no value. Take three people from history, Florence Nightingale, Mahatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr, I don't know their IQ's, you might you seem to know everything else. To prioritise these 3 under your white supremacists thinking, based on race is simple; Nightingale 1 (European), Gandhi 2 (Asian), King 3 (African/American). I say they are all different, so diverse as human beings, their contribution to humanity so different from each other, that you cannot prioritise them in anyway. For you its like cricket players Allan Border, Brian Lara, Sunil Gavaskar, based on test averages its Lara, Gavaskar Border, based on your race IQ generalisation its Allan Border, Sunil Gavaskar, Brian Lara. Based on their contribution to cricket, well could argue that on all day. Do you get where I am coming from.

LEGO,

What about this claim of yours; "humans of all races tested with having exceptionally high measured IQ ALWAYS do well in life," (My caps for ALWAYS).

Ted Bundy
Harold Shipman
Jeffrey Dahmar

What do these three have in common? Did they all do well in life as you would claim.

I came from a family of soldiers who fought in some of WW1 and WW2's most notable battles, and I am very proud of that. Since you have such a low opinion of Australian soldiers, then I can only conclude that your own family were shirkers, and they probably spent both world wars selling black market sausages.

There are smart and dumb people in all races, but the proportions are very different. Human intelligence is measurable, and cognitive metricians are scientists.

Whether you like it or not, races have different IQ bell curves of intelligence. The earth is not the centre of the universe. Human beings and apes had common ancestors. All human beings evolved in Africa and spread around the world. These four scientific facts created furore's when they were first proposed by scientists, and conservative ideologues like your good self tried to howl the scientists down every time.

When Galileo used his telescope to prove that not everything revolved around the earth, he was brought before the Pope and shown the instruments of torture that would be used on him if he did not recant. The Pope knew Galileo was right, but he shut him up for political reasons. When Nobel prize winner Francis Crick, co discoverer of the double helix chromosome, and head of the prestigious Human genome Project, made an offhand remark to a journalist about Africans having low intelligence, the political establishments of the world did the same thing to Crick as the Pope did to Galileo. He was fired from the HGP, sacked from his university, and had his named chiselled off every brass plaque ever caste in his honour.

Today, all scientific conferences involving human genetics are held in camera with the press pointedly excluded. Just like in Galileo times, where Galileo's contemporary scientists knew he was right but were cowed into silence, today's geneticists know that some races have low intelligence and are far more prone to violent behaviour than other races. And you are part of the howling mob who keep the scientists from telling you what you fear to hear.

LEGO,

Of course, different groups, classes, even genders and personalities, may have different IQ bell curves, since people exist in different circumstances with different levels of opportunity - but a score on an IQ test measures only how well someone does on an IQ test. It may not measure intelligence at all.

I wouldn't be surprised that if someone took the tests every, say six months or year, they would do better and better. They would learn how to do the tests, what was expected, how to pace oneself, etc.

Joe

LEGO, your claim that; "humans of all races tested with having exceptionally high measured IQ ALWAYS do well in life" is false, unless you believe those of the European race with high IQ's and commit mass murder have done well in life. Is that why you didn't respond.

WWI death toll 20 million, WWII death toll 85 million in just two European instigated wars, lets add the war you went off to "kill commies" in Vietnam War, a war that seen a million Vietnamese children die, were those children commies. That alone puts the lie that Blacks are prone to violence more so than other races. Maybe you consider war something special and not state state sanctioned murder. The United States in WWII murdered 250,000 children, women, old people, all non combatants with atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. In dozens of other Japanese and German cities the allies murdered million of non combatants. The other side did also, but not as effectively, must not have been intelligent enough.

BTW; I would be proud if my ancestors were "selling black market sausages" in war and not off somewhere murdering innocent women, children and old people.