All sorts of wild animals are, over-supplied, native and introduced. When someone wants to do something about it, the usual idiots cut crook, and that's the end of that.

The Marion council in Adelaide has summoned up the courage to try putting a curfew on cats. The inevitable ranting and raving from the usual ranters and ravers started immediately, and the idea will probably fall over. Everything that is wrong in Australia is down to governments kowtowing to minorities.

Camels, kangaroos etc? Start using so-called conservation parks as productive land and cattle grazing and eat them out of existence and reduce fuel hazards.

Yup! And why not!?

We should have a guaranteed in law, right to bear arms and use them and whomsoever we choose to invite/allow to exterminate vermin on OUR land! Or to protect our persons, IN OUR OWN HOMES!

Albeit, exclusively by expert marksmen able to take headshots at will and understand the particular ballistics of the weapon they use.

Self-protection should be limited to .22 pistols and subsonic ammo only. And must include a tactical torch to absolutely identify any potential target.

Those who don't want to become target practice? Can stay away/go where and when they're invited!

Uninvited intruders should have no more rights than vermin! Certainly not superior rights in law to the homeowners they assault and cripple in an apprehended break and enter.

One simply cannot reason with an ice maddened addict and not all of us can afford the taxpayer-funded security of our alleged lawmakers!

My preference for vermin extermination is a 22-250, given the trajectory maxes out at around 600 metres, where the projectile still has enough inherent sonic velocity to disintegrate with impact instead of ricochet like a .22!

A.22 can still kill a mile (1.6 km) away as a ricochet! Meaning with the 22.250, there is less chance of unintended consequences!
Alan B.

Hey ttbn, cats make great hats, wadda ya reckon?
Alan B.

Alan B,

Whilst I share your general sentiments,

"One simply cannot reason with an ice maddened addict and not all of us can afford the taxpayer-funded security of our alleged lawmakers!"

and that's true, what is also true you can't stop one with sub-sonic .22s, my preference would be .38 Special at the least.

Ise Mise, Profesional hitmen prefer a.22 and a headshot, someone with a point 22 projectile between the peepers is not going anywhere or do anything to anyone! The report sounds like a cap gun.

I believe there'd be far fewer break-ins aimed robberies if the crims in question knew they could end it right there as corpses. Folk who step outside the law, ought not be protected by it!

However, if I just wanted knockdown power, I'd want a five-shot 50 cal pistol! That mother can punch holes in six-inch thick concrete blocks! And a headshot would result in the targets losing their mind!
Alan B

Alan,

I've got a big head, only big feral cats fit. They are bit warm this time of the year, though.

Folk who step outside the law, ought not be protected by it!
Alan B,
It can't be said any clearer than that ! Now, if only those over-educated/indoctrinated in the Judiciary could be made to think logically, all would be well !
Legal Aid should not come free for perpetrators.

Property rights. That's what it always comes down to.

Wouldn't be so bad if the state offered landowners agistment payments to graze it's fauna on their land, with the landowner retaining the right to refuse.

My sympathies go to the animals. I also support animal rights activists in their quest for humane treatment of animals in captivity; which is effectively the situation of wild animals, captive in state forests.

I don't support shark culling when shark numbers are known to be in decline. And I don't support tax payers dollars paying for helecopters flopping over the heads of surf board riders, attempting to save the stupid from themselves.

Dan.

Dan, I could disagree with you more, yes DISAGREE!
Did I read you right you are not happy that animals are being treated INHUMANELY by being kept in captivity in state forests?
And did you actually say you are against killing sharks, and that their numbers are declining?
I don't think I've said this to an OLOén before, but;
ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FRIGGIN MIND?
You could have abstained from making those comments and we would have thought no less of you, BUT, you couldn't leave well enough alone, now you come off looking like some kind of pillock.
Seriously, ANYONE who puts the welfare of animals before that of humans is unwell and in fact, not to be trusted, in so much as given a situation where the choice was between killing one to save the other, YOU, would not be welcome in that scenario.
Dan, given the choice I would IRRADICATE, make EXTINCT, such egregious animals as sharks, crocodiles, and so on.
ANYTHING that is a threat to humans, is a threat, how on earth can any sane mature adult be so stupid as to put animals before humans.
These moronic minorities need to be extinct as well.
The number of people who have died because of their misguided beliefs is a matter of record.
One incident I was involved in was, I live next door to school which is also home to a 'murder'of crows, who spend avery waking minute calling out FAAARK, FAAARK.
This was not acceptable, considering if I did the same I'd be arrested for using profanities in a public place.
So I call up the govt department responsible for ridding of vermin and other unsavoury animals, in this case crows and the first thing I get is, "Oh you mean a North American Raven".
Then she proceeded to tell me their a protected species, so upon recovering from BS shock, I said, "wait a minute, why is a foreign, introduced species, protected"?
She dismissed me on the grounds that her job was to enforce the law, not make it.
Comments, anyone?

Dan:

Do you eat fish? Are they animals?

As for sharks, but particularly those white pointers. I've come to an arrangement with those mothers. I don't go in their ocean, they don't come on my beach!

Seems an ideal arrangement that works for me!

The last time I went fishing, with my brother and Dad. Had old-style cotton lines attached to a hook/sinker, and from a causeway connecting a beach suburb, with a ten thousand volt feeder line just out beyond the distance, one could cast.

Anyhow, after half a day of feeding fish, my bro decided he'd fix that, tied on an additional sinker, whirled the contraption so fast above his head, he looked like a Huey about to leap skyward. In seconds a salt-laden wet line had wrapped itself around the feeder line.

Looked around to see if the owner of the gear, dad, had noticed, proceeded to tug more vigorously at the line until the JFC,@#%^&* etc! emanating from Father put a stop to his activity.

Dad elbowed him aside, wrapping the line around his hand and unintentionally, around his left foot also. proceeded to tug with all his might, until he managed to sever some of the protective insulation.

Whereupon he started the most disturbing war dance, accompanied by extremely powerful whoops/deafening war cries all done at near light speed! As sparks shot from the hobnails of his left boot.

The more he screamed/roared, it's not funny, the harder we laughed.

Finally, the Bro regained his composure/protected by his rubber boots cut the line/the flow of electrical current through Dad's left foot, allowed the still wet line go. As it hit the water and the incoming tide, fish started bobbing up all over the place, we fished out as many as we could with a small net on a pole.

So, the great fishing expedition was an unparalleled success!

Surprisingly, that was the first and second last time my Father ever took us fishing, can't imagine why that was? It's just so much fun!
Cheers, Alan B.

Well Altrav, I made the comments I did, which expresses my opinion which has chopped and changed through the years, but now rests comfortably inside the perimeter fence as outlined above.

I actually donate to Sea Shepherd, and think that Sea Shepherd are a good example of a private enterprise Navy. One might describe it as an NGO navy.
It was used effectively by our Government to identify and locate illegal fishing activities and vessels throughout "our" oceans, and allowed Governments to step carefully in diplomatic relations with countries such as Japan with their harpooning enterprises.

It's actually good such organisations stand alone from Government, and operate from a position of the majority, and circumvent politics driven by the "petty" and self absorbed, such as yourself, for example, (judging by your dislike of crows).

If I were the poor woman on the end of your complaint, I'd be inclined to tell you to FOW. Did she hang up in your ear? I hope so.

I've worked with animals one way or another through life, and actually have more feelings of affection towards them than towards humans, which flock quite frankly, could be reduced (culled) effectively, by the rise of another Hitler or Starlin, who obviously thought as I do.

Humans are detestable creatures which should be machine gunned from helecopters while going about their daily business on city streets.
People with my attitudes, should be given a permit to spend a leisurely weekend blowing holes in the heads of humans for recreation and fun.
Maybe paid a bounty by the number of lopped off ears presented to a special Government authority for the purpose.

Dan

DD, you do realise that this is an open forum, and that hundreds of other people read and follow it?
Seeing as how you have been so honest and open explaining your position and feelings about animals and people, I think you might want to keep those comments/thoughts to yourself, in future, if you want to be taken seriously.
Firstly I can empathise on your position about people, but only the naive, ignorant, mis-informed, un-informed, immature, subjective, emotionally driven hopeless cases, like yourself.
People who choose to worship or favour animals over humans, are mentally and emotionally, ill.
Animals were not created as an extension or member of a human family.
They are fu%&ing ANIMALS.
If you are of the opinion that an animal is of a higher standing than a human, you can go live with them by all means, but humans are the top of the pile in this world, you can go and live in your world, probably "The planet of the Apes".
Because you are certainly not MAINSTREAM HUMAN, on this world.
I'm not going to even begin to explain why you are wrong, nuts even.
It would be like trying to have a sensible discussion with a drunk or mental patient.
So you can go and vegan your arse off for all I and billions of other people care about those who like you are just so narrow minded, your not worth the effort.
Get it through your head, we eat meat and fish, we are designed to do so, it is natural for us.
We are at the top of the food chain, get it?
We have a duty of care to keep ourselves and our families safe from danger, and if we can eat the flesh of these predators, we are getting a double benefit from killing them and eating them, if they are edible.

altrav, you write absolute crap.
Humans are animals, Homo Sapiens to be exact.
Species Homo Sapiens
Genus Homo
Kingdom Animalia
Phylum Chordata If you really want to know.
You may be different but, as your arrogant, bigoted post, shows, you may be top of the food chain but you certainly are NOT better than other animals.

ateday, you utter moron, for attacking me like that, you deserve the worst of what OLO has to offer, in punishment.
Obviously you can't read?
Did you not read the rules?
I don't care personally, but I'm not going to let you try to get one through to the keeper, so take it that I've knocked you out of the park, beyond a six.
In case your petulant adolescent brain is incapable of reason, at the very least you are supposed to play the ball, NOT the man!
You honestly think you made a point by simply writing a list of names denoting the many forms of animals.
I've got news for you, you might have stayed up all night to find all those big words, you've never seen or heard before, but you wasted your time.
Firstly I already know of them and secondly, I didn't need to read them at all.
But at least you learned something in looking them up.
So unless you have something to say regarding this topics heading, I would say you have demonstrated this topic well by showing us what a pest (you) is all about.
And obviously being that your the pest, then it stands to reason I must be the predator.
Unless you have a reasoned and mature line of conversation to introduce to a topic, don't bother writing any more of the drivel and bile you seem only to know.
We're not interested!

My goodness what an ignorant article and comment section.

My cousin is in Parks Victoria and one of the biggest dangers to his staff are confrontations with pig hunters within National Parks. These guys are releasing hundreds of sows with ears removed as breeding stock into parks across Victoria. They then start hunting the offspring, usually with dogs and knives and usually after dark. They GPS track the dogs which are wearing protective gear and go and take the cornered pigs down with knives.

Rangers will spend a lot of time and resources to rid an area of feral pigs only to find them reintroduced by these morons. Forbes wants to reward this behaviour by opening the parks up to them.

How idiotic is that.

Steele,

Are the Rangers armed?

Are the Rangers armed?
is Mise,
i know of some armed with lack of common sense !

Some people have an unnatural regard for animals. Ateday is possibly one of those people.

When feral deer and feral horses are in plague proportions destroying native flora, they need to at least be culled! And not with ineffective 10-80 baits that kill with extreme self-evident pain and work their way via the food chain, into countless other species. Scavengers mostly.

If I have to decide between diminishing native forest and Bambi, the native forest wins hands down as does my larder. We are not born vegans, i.e., herbivores, but rather like bears and pigs, e.g., opportunistic omnivores!

We got our big brains courtesy of animal protein! And need the iron in it for an adequate red blood cell count to keep our vitals oxygenated, and the B12 to support our mental well being, memory and cognitive function. One can go bananas without it, Dan!

Yes, I know that these things can be replicated in the plant kingdom! But I'm not up to munching my way through a daily bucket of broccoli just to get sufficient iron in my bloodstream to keep my brain adequately oxygenised.

That said, I'd kill or some venison back steak, literally. And where these animals are famed for their cholesterol-free meat they convert what they eat more efficiently than methane burping sheep or cows and like our native herbivores do not burp methane.

I see no sport in hunting or fishing as pleasure pastimes, just an essential if a dirty, unpalatable job, that needs to be done as humanely as possible and out of necessity!

I just don't get sport fishing and the tortured animals, thrown back Nor Hunting for thrill kill pleasure which has always eluded me!
Alan B.

I can't agree with you Dan, that sharks are in decline. That sounds like more researchers like the James Cook mob, fishing for more research grants with their dying barrier reef rubbish.

I ran tourists boats in the Whitsundays for 10 years. I swam dozens of times in Cid Harbor, as did thousands of our guests, & all over the area, & with no trouble with sharks.

We took an average of 200 tourists a day out to the outer reef, where almost half of them snorkeled, & a dozen or so took their first deep water dive, with no shark problem. Large man eaters are most definitely proliferating in reef waters, & need to be culled.

Any species which protects it's predators is a very stupid species. We should be eliminating crocks, they serve no useful purpose, & keeping sharks to a minimum, the rest are not too bad.

I like animals too Dan. My horses come when they are called, as do the dogs,...mostly. The artificial insemination vet could not believe when my cattle came when called, but they did every time. I think they liked me too, however that does not mean I don't want to control pests & vermin. Just because an animal was born does not give it a right to be on my property, or the national parks we are supposed to own.

I have always found it a curious thing, as to how someone could WANT to be a vegetarian/vegan, willingly.
I could understand if their survival and circumstance dictated it, but to CHOOSE to not eat meat or fish, is in some circles seen as proof or confirmation that the these people are mentally lacking.
And the thing they lack are the very thing they are rejecting.
So it seems that if they ate a full and balanced diet, as nature prescribed, they would not need external health input, such as vitamin pills and the like.
Most people who only eat grass are subject to some serious health problems and deficiencies.
They are being very foolish just for the sake of trying to look trendy and somehow believe themselves to be more virtuous than the rest of us, when in fact they are just simple, stupid and juvenile.

Altrav you little honey pot. Was it you on the LNP float at the Gay Mardi Gras, or a homosexual crow ?

Your raving.

I thought the response of ateday to your rave, was dignified and it's content more practical than confrontational. But there you go.

If I appear to be repeating my stand on the issue of mass slaughter, it's because of your emotional condition, which highlights itself by your admission to an official complaint to the authorities about the cawing of a black crow.
That act alone should twig you to the fragile state of your mental health.

I repeat, my attitude and opinion towards mass slaughter of animals, has been hardened by years of involvement with animals of all sorts, including rats and mice, cockroaches and locusts, you name it. And should we include a virus under this heading. After all, they are living creatures are they not?

The above would indicate I draw a line through mass slaughter of animals at a defined position on the scale of "things": But crows are above that line, along with Roos pigs horses camels goats etc.

As is pointed out by above posters, making an industry out of slaughter, simply exacerbates the problem by giving the target animal a dollar value. Re the wild pig trade, where those responsible for their reduction in numbers, are actually the culprit for their increasing numbers.

I have a soft spot for animal activists, who are in the most part, our youth; predominantly our female young with natural nurturing instincts. That's a bonus.
So maybe you should get on side with them, you may actually learn something.

The modern way to control animal populations is to intervene in their reproductive cycle, spaying dogs and cats.

Dan

Takes a crow a while to get a weak sheeps eye out. Eyelid's chopped away first then it's dig dig dig a peck at a time till all that's left's a bit of thin white eye tissue still attached to the stem.

Jamo.

True, but it can take longer for a man to kill a sheep slowly and badly as well as a crow.
He builds a fence around them and watches while they starve to death.
It's called a drought.

Dan

DD, YOU of ALL people are not in a position to be discussing the fate of the animal kingdom.
Unless you were raised by animals, mind you I am warming to that conclusion, you are not in a position to comment on what an animal feels or thinks.
So you think it's OK for wild dogs to attack a lamb and tear it from limb to limb, and then leave it alive, suffering and in extreme pain?
I certainly do not condone the random and flippant idea of killing for sport, such as catching fish and throwing them back, they make sure they are alive before releasing them at least.
But you come across as a pre-pubescent child with such a naive and spurious demeanor.
Don't forget one very important thing, we are also animals, and it is natural for animals to kill other animals for their very survival, ACCORDING TO THE LAWS OF NATURE!
A cat will eat some grass when it is having digestion issues, but otherwise it was created with canines, which would not be needed if they ate flora/grass.
There are variations to that theme, but these have developed over time due to changes in their living/food environment and had to re-adjust and develop accordingly.
We, as a species do not have to change our eating habits unless forced to, due to lack of our historical food categories.
Dan, I'm not sure how to respond to you, because you sound very passionate/committed to your beliefs, and I can't argue or debate with someone who is so emotionally invested in such a false premise as yourself.
Look I tell you what, you believe what you want, I don't think anyone trying to explain the jist of this thread or topic is going to get through to you, in demonstrating and convincing you that you are wrong.
I'll hand this one over to the more patient of OLOéns.

Altrav.

Poor old crows are getting hard PR today.
It's not their fault they were born black.

Where have I heard that one before?

Not all crows are black, there are grey crows as well as other colour combinations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_crow
As a one time conservator, I used to shoot grey crows and trap them.

"Poor old crows are getting hard PR today." Not at all. Crows are very smart. You only have to hang a dead one up by the leg where it can be seen and the rest stay well away. They get the message.

Jamo, thanks for that, you possibly saved me a lot of stuffing around with having to contend with idiot gun shop owners suddenly getting all official, since the soft cocks of our community began panicking over the mental and emotional stability of gun owners, who have more discipline than the idiots who police them, and the same community that's panicking in the first place.

Cheers ALTRAV.
Don't be too hard on the gun shop owners. They're victims of socialist terror.