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Outspoken Christians will not be tolerated : Comments
By Bill Muehlenberg, published 12/4/2019For daring to share some scripture passages on his own social media page, Australian rugby star Israel Folau has been given the boot – all in the name of tolerance and inclusion of course.
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Posted by individual, Monday, 15 April 2019 7:22:03 AM
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mikk,
<<When will you theists learn?... Believe whatever nonsense you want just keep it to yourself and stop trying to force others to join you!>> As a Christian, I won't keep it to myself as your eternal destiny is determined by what you do with Jesus Christ in this life. You can scoff at it; call it 'nonsense'. However, as long as I have breath in my body, I'll not force my beliefs on you or anyone else. I will issue this warning: 'Yes, God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him would not be lost but have eternal life' (John 3:16 ERV). Isn't life after death a critical issue for you? It will be one minute after your last breath! Posted by OzSpen, Monday, 15 April 2019 7:26:56 AM
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ttbn,
<<Christianity is dying in the West. It is being attacked by Westerners themselves. Good luck with the options, folks.>> So it ought to, when it is fuelled by liberal theology that cuts the guts out of the Gospel, denigrates the Bible to be just another book without the authority of God. The rot is within with Christianity in the liberal theology of the West. But that's not so with Evangelical and Pentecostal Christianity. Take a visit to Bridgeman Downs Baptist Church, Brisbane, Axis Wesleyan Methodist Church, North Lakes (Brisbane), or the evangelical Anglicans of the Sydney diocese and you'll meet Christianity with vibrancy and growth. Why is Christianity growing worldwide? The Guardian (UK) reported: "China has seen a huge religious revival in recent years and some predict it will have the world’s largest Christian population by 2030. The number of Chinese Protestants has grown by an average of 10% annually since 1979, to between 93 million and 115 million, according to one estimate. There are reckoned to be another 10-12 million Catholics". See: http://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/aug/27/religion-why-is-faith-growing-and-what-happens-next Posted by OzSpen, Monday, 15 April 2019 7:40:22 AM
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Everything that makes up a person, is also tied to something else. Your job, your community, your family.
By what you say and what you do, so also are those assoiciated with you affected. Should this be the means to silence us all? A brand shouldn't be the reason to fire someone when they speak up on their own accord. That is on that person and should be valued as being from them and them only. Or else is tolerance only allowed when it's not affected by a company you work for? Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Monday, 15 April 2019 7:49:02 AM
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Dear SteeleRedux,
You are correct. I am influenced by the USA concept of freedom of speech which gives greater latitude to speech than Australia does. You may be guilty of defamation in Australia even though what you say is true if your intent is to injure the reputation of another person. There is no counterpart to defamation in US law. There is libel law in the USA, but you cannot be guilty of libel if what you say is true. However, free speech is not absolute in the US. Justice Holmes defined the limit as when the speech presents a ‘clear and present danger’. He gave as an example yelling ‘Fire’ in a crowded theatre where there is no fire. We also do not have the freedom to encourage a mob to destroy property or to lynch. That would be incitement. The right of a person to employment is a cloudy issue. For an employer to submit to prejudice and discriminate in hiring on any other basis than the person’s competence is not acceptable. However, if the employee’s actions or beliefs would affect the customer’s business, that is not acceptable either. In the case of Israel Folau, one has to decide which is worse. There is also a greater separation of religion and state in the US. Having chaplains in the public schools and giving state aid to religious schools would be illegal in the USA. Here I also hold the USA interpretation and was shocked when I came to Australia to find that taxpayers supported religious schools. The difference is a consequence of the history of both countries. For the first 25 years of Australia’s history the only clergymen allowed were chaplains from the British forces. The first government any place in the world which had separation of religion and state written into law was Roger Williams’ Rhode Island. In my opinion both Christianity and Islam are nonsense. However, people have the right to believe in nonsense. Posted by david f, Monday, 15 April 2019 9:35:20 AM
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david f,
<<In my opinion both Christianity and Islam are nonsense. However, people have the right to believe in nonsense.>> You censor having a rational conversation when you use this kind of Ad Hominem (Guilt by Association) fallacy. When you view Christianity and Islam negatively because of the association with their beliefs, you have not engaged in a discussion of why you disagree with the beliefs of these two major religions. You have used fallacious reasoning that handicaps sensible dialogue. See: http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/10/Ad-Hominem-Guilt-by-Association. What investigations have you made into the validity of the existence of God, Jesus Christ and the beliefs of Christianity? You fail to engage in this kind of discussion when you use a logical fallacy. The topic is: 'Outspoken Christians will not be tolerated'. You are outspoken about Christianity being nonsense. Should your views be rubbished like Israel Folau's have been? Posted by OzSpen, Monday, 15 April 2019 11:41:46 AM
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david f,
so are those who don't agree with them.