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Religious have no right to judgment on sexual orientation or gender identity : Comments

By Robin Banks, Anja Hilkemeijer and Rodney Croome, published 6/12/2018

This means, for example, that a Jewish school can turn away a teacher if they are Christian, but not just because they are gay, transgender, Aboriginal or in a wheelchair.

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Foxy, 'some' people, might 'expect it', I;m sure but the truth is 'most' people are skeptical and wary.
As was said when the YES vote happened, 'some' people said it was final and the end of a long battle.
Most people said, it was only the beginning of an even longer and more protracted battle, as we have been witnessing from the very first day.
This topic is only one of many that will be the undoing of this unconscionable, disastrous YES decision.
Foxy, again you try to pull the wool over the plebs eyes.
Thankfully, I am not one.
I've caught you out again, as if it was hard.
All I have to do is wait and sure enough, like clockwork, you do not disappoint.
You were asked if we would/could see a queer at an Islamic school?
Fine, but your answer was typically deflective, or evasive.
You responded with; 'SBS spoke to a current teacher only on the condition of anonymity for her and the school'.
This is where I call you an appropriate offensive name, for lying in a vane and fruitless attempt at trying to make your point.
As this is a typical trait for you and the left, I won't need to say what needs to be said.
Let those who know and understand what I'm talking about judge you, and of course your comments.
In case you try to deflect and evade further, unbeknown to you, hidden in your response was the affirmation of the question asked of you, in the form of the teacher and school seeking/demanding?, anonymity.
If the topic is not controversial, then there is no need to put conditions on the interview.
And so there it is, let the readers decide, and there can only be one decision.
She did not want to be outed, and if the school was complicit, then it too did not want to risk the consequences of hiring a queer.
We would never hear of the consequences, but they are a given.
Posted by ALTRAV, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 10:46:48 PM
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Dear Foxy,

«Yes, religious schools have a lot to answer.»

Can ghosts be answerable?

As I mentioned on page 6 (and may I assume that your silence means that you agree?), there are no religious schools in existence, at least not in Australia, since to the best of my knowledge, all schools, despite calling themselves "private" and "religious", accept government alms. Seriously, how can a Christian/Jewish school claim to be religious while breaking the eighth commandment?

«...but all the people who are leaving and have left the institutions in droves.»

Has it occurred to you that they might be leaving because those institutions are not truly religious, thus fail to provide their spiritual needs?

«Hatred, brainwashing, judgement of others, discrimination, no longer works in this day and age.»

What has this day and age to do with it - have they ever worked? hasn't Jesus taught the same 2000 years ago?

«People expect better. Just as they do of their politicians.»

Expect anything from politicians? Really? From those predators? If you see a politician, the best thing you can do is cower, cross to the other side of the street and hope they didn't see you.

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Dear Pogi,

Before jumping in, can you bother reading the previous posts to learn about the context of the conversation?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 11:27:44 PM
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runner,

Thank You for proving my point about religion
having a lot to answer. Your behaviour as a self-
proclaimed Christian -
is exactly why the religious have no right to
judgement. You should follow the teachings of
Christ instead of preaching hate and discrimination:

Love your neighbour as yourself (Mark 12:31)

Honour one another above yourselves (Romans 12:10)

My command is this: Love each other as I have
loved you (John 15:12)

Do to others as you would have them do to you
(Luke 6:31)
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 12:03:29 PM
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ALTRAV and Yuyutsu,

Given how many Religious Institutions, many of them
schools, were raised in the Royal Commission as having
a "do nothing" approach to child sexual abuse, the
temerity of taking action on this issue borders on
the breathtaking.

runner,

BTW: There's a big difference between pedophilia and
homosexuality. And implying that homosexual clergy
abuse children sexually is not true.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 12:25:27 PM
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ALTRAV,

What I was asked by Hasbeen was - would I see any
homosexuals in Islamic schools? I answered the
question. Homosexuals exist everywhere. And I gave
the SBS News interview of the teacher in
Melbourne. I was not asked whether the teacher
would admit to being homosexual at her school.
Because as I pointed out, under the current
circumstances this was not possible.

You rants against me are just that. Rants. You
need to lift the bar in your posts, difficult as
that may be to do especially if you
want people to respond. Otherwise you shall be
ignored.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 12:39:01 PM
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Dear Foxy,

By your silence I should assume that you agree with what I wrote so far.

«Given how many Religious Institutions, many of them schools, were raised in the Royal Commission as having a "do nothing" approach to child sexual abuse»

The question stands: are those institutions truly religious?

Anyone could claim to be religious, in fact anyone could also claim to be a rooster, but are they, just because they say so?

Now if an institution was indeed religious, then I wouldn't expect it to hand its people over to evil secular authorities. Yes, they could and should act to protect the children and have many other avenues to address child sexual abuse, but handing offenders to the secular state should not be one of them.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 12:52:20 PM
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