maybe its as simple as Jesus said. Its by their fruits you will know them.

Hi Runner,

Yes, and where is the good Samaritan in the Koran ? i.e. someone who will come to the help of not just a stranger, but a stranger from another 'group' from their own ?

Like that wonderful girl in the latest attack in London, Kirsty Boden, a nurse, who ran TOWARDS the atrocities to help whoever she could. Her body was taken to the hospital where she had worked. I take that a bit personally because she grew up in a town just upstream and across the Murray from where we lived for some years. I hope they build a monument to her in Loxton - and a bigger one in Adelaide - she's a hero that we can all be proud of.

Bloody tears !

"If we must die, let it nor be like hogs,
Quartered and penned in some inglorious spot ....
..... Like men we'll face the murderous, cowardly pack,
Pressed to the wall, dying, but fighting back!"

Joe

' Like that wonderful girl in the latest attack in London, Kirsty Boden, a nurse, who ran TOWARDS the atrocities to help whoever she could.'

could not agree more Loudmouth. Certainly a lot braver than us keyboard warriors. Can't help but be concerned for my grandkids (I now a bit selfish) seeing the society our gutless and dishonest pollies and elite academics have created for them. To think you can't even walk over a bridge in London.

You're not wrong, Runner, as they say in the country :)

Best wishes,

Joe

Dear Joe,

Grateful is a Sufi.

Sufis and Ahmadiyyans do not plant bombs, run over people, stab them or any of that. They consider themselves Muslim.
Sufis and Ahmadiyyans are persecuted by those who do the above and by Daesh.

Whatever violence is written in the Koran and Hadith, Sufis are able to ignore it and Sufi Sheikhs and Imams are able to reason theologically why any violent instructions need not be followed.
I am not learned enough to tell specifically how they do so, but obviously they have found a successful way to convince their flock.

At the end of the day, everyone does whatever they want.
If one is violent and eager to kill, then they will always be able to find some Sheikh, Imam, priest or Rabbi that will tell them what they like to hear: if they tell them otherwise, then they keep looking until they find another.

Likewise, those who are peaceful will and do find a way to remain peaceful, despite whatever is literally written in the Koran.

Sorry, Yuyutsu,

I can't believe that. If it's true, then I can't hold out much hope for any commonsense coming from any Muslims: I assumed that Grateful was simply spouting standard Hizb-ut-Tahrir propaganda.

Why do you think he's a Sufi or Ahmaddiyah ? I've always had far more time for them, I thought they were beacons of sense in the Muslim world and might lead it out of its medieval darkness. Was I wrong ?

Joe