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Days of our lives : Comments

By Najla Turk, published 16/2/2017

I am your ordinary, middle-class, working mother that happens to be a practising Muslim who profoundly opposes terrorism and is ardently seeking harmony.

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If you want to consider US military intervention “terrorism”, LEGO.

<<Oh, that's cute, AJ. By that definition, ISIS is "moderate" because they denounce US "terrorism.">>

But I don’t, and neither does standard counterterrorism discourse, because the US no longer deliberately targets civilian populations indiscriminately.

So I’m afraid the only one getting “cute” here is you.

<<… you insist that Muslims are no threat to us when their own scriptures instruct them in black and white script to kill us.>>

Really? All of them? When did I insist that?

<<And when their most devout do just that, you pretend it is not happening and try to blame the victims.>>

I do? Where? When?

<<Do your mythical "moderate" Muslims denounce the killing of homosexuals, AJ? Do they denounce the murder of those who criticise Islam? Do "moderate" Muslims agree that Muslims who choose to leave Islam should not be killed?

Yes, yes, and yes.

<<Could you please direct me to a "moderate" Muslim website where these mythical "moderate" Muslims agree to just these three principles?>>

Just those? They can’t agree to more? Drats!

http://bmsd.org.uk/index.php/a-muslim-voice-for-gay-rights

<<So, you prejudge all Nazis as bad, including neo-Nazis who had nothing to do with WW2 or the Holocaust, because they are "demonstrably harmful and false beliefs they hold.">>

No, I don’t. That definition again: http://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/prejudge

<<I will tell how your double standard works, AJ.>>

Good, because your previous attempts failed.

<<You blanket condemn all Nazis and all Ku Klux Klansmen because they are white.>>

No, my dislike for them has nothing to do with skin colour.

<<You refuse to use the same standard with Muslims because they are brown.>>

No, it’s because they don’t all hold beliefs that society finds abhorrent. Nor are they all brown. Islam is not a race. Remember?

Well that was a disappointment. Still no double standard.

Sounds like you need to start addressing what actually I say and cease presuming to tell me what I do and do not believe. You won't, of course, because your arguments only work if I conform to the laughable caricature that you need me to be.
Posted by AJ Philips, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 6:18:09 AM
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Foxy,

"I forgot to add have you read the Bible?

Which parts do you take literally?"

Not in its entirety, I find a lot of it tends to be repetitious and thus boring.
I take Moses and the burning bush literally as well as the Commandments, also the Crucifixion which is a good description of one Roman execution method.
Posted by Is Mise, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 7:45:23 AM
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Dear Is Mise,

So you don't read the Bible in its entirety and you find
a lot of it tends to be boring?

Thank You for that. It confirms what I stated earlier.
You're not alone in doing that. I'm sure that many
religious advocates do the same regarding their holy
books. Everybody picks the bits
they like from whatever holy books they embrace.
Therefore making generalisations about an entire group
of people simply ignores the differences among
individuals.

Prejudice is such an irrational, inflexible, attitude
toward an entire category of people. It's something
that should really be avoided. Someone who is
prejudiced against Muslims, Jews,Christians, et cetera,
will tend to have a negative
attitude toward an individual Muslim, Jew, Christian,
in the belief that
all Muslims/Jews/Christians, share the same supposed traits. That's neither fair nor rational.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 9:53:22 AM
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ok Banjo its obvious that it is not God that you don't believe in but the fact that you think you are smarter, wiser and could do a much better job. You are very deluded.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 9:55:06 AM
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Foxy,

"So you don't read the Bible in its entirety and you find
a lot of it tends to be boring?

Thank You for that. It confirms what I stated earlier"

No, it doesn't, I read commentaries on the Bible and any other religious text that I am interested in and compare. Just as I read commentaries on the Koran and, so far, the observations on the Koran confirm that Islam is a dangerous political/religious movement that causes/has caused strife wherever it goes and that it has no place in a democratic society.
Posted by Is Mise, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 11:13:46 AM
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Dear Is Mise,

I also read quite a few commentaries but from
a variety of sources. Not only the ones that
agree with my viewpoint. And, therein may be
where your problem lies. It depends on what
you read and what viewpoints are
being presented. As Piers Ackerman stated on
"Q and A," last night when given a few facts,
he claimed he'd never heard of - then Julian Burnside, QC
told him but"It was in the news," Mr Ackerman
replied - "I don't read the Fairfax newspapers.
Oh Dear. No wonder his views were/are somewhat narrow.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 11:53:06 AM
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