C39:9. Is one who worships devoutly during the hours of the night prostrating himself or standing (in adoration), who takes heed of the Hereafter, and who places his hope in the Mercy of his Lord--(like one who does not)? Say: "Are those equal, those who know and those who do not know? It is those who are endued with understanding that receive admonition."

45:21. What! do those who seek after evil ways think that We shall hold them equal with those who believe and do righteous deeds, that equal will be their Life and their death? Ill is the judgment that they make.

47:4. Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; at length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost.
Allah commands all moslems to kill unbelievers when & where ever they can. Take some prisoners & demand a ransom. Allah himself would have done this. Allah commands you to fight unbelievers to test you to see if really are obedient to him. If you are killed you will get the best reward there is in heaven.

47:12. Verily Allah will admit those who believe and do righteous deeds, to Gardens beneath which rivers flow; while those who reject Allah will enjoy (this world) and eat as cattle eat; and the Fire will be their abode.

Jizya Tax

63:7. They are the ones who say, "Spend nothing on those who are with Allah's Messenger, to the end that they may disperse (and quit Madinah). But to Allah belong the treasures of the heavens and the earth; but the Hypocrites understand not.

cont.

cont

63:8. They say, "If we return to Madinah, surely the more honourable (element) will expel there from the meaner." But honour belongs to Allah and His Messenger, and to the Believers; but the Hypocrites know not.

63:9. O ye who believe! let not your riches or your children divert you from the remembrance of Allah. If any act thus, the loss is their own.

All of these quotes instruct all Muslims to physically assault non-Muslims. The purpose is obviously to terrorize them into becoming Muslims. That is compulsion. All moslems of all sects believe this to be true. Do you want to tell me that Islam is the Religion of Peace?
"Jizya" tax is a monetary penalty, the purpose of which is to compel defeated people to become Muslims.

16:106. Anyone who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters unbelief, except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in faith, but such as open their breast to unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty.

40:28. A believer, a man from among the people of Pharaoh, who had concealed his faith, said: "Will ye slay a man because he says, 'My Lord is Allah'?--when he has indeed come to you with Clear (Signs) from your Lord? And if he be a liar on him is (the sin of) his lie: but, if he is telling the Truth, then will fall on you something of the (calamity) of which he warns you: truly Allah guides not one who transgresses and lies!
the religious legitimacy of breaking oaths, lying, unilaterally violating treaties, and generally scheming against non-Muslims.
10:21. When We make mankind taste of some mercy after adversity hath touched them, Behold! they take to plotting against our Signs! Say: "Swifter to plan is Allah!" Verily, Our Messengers record all the plots that ye make!
“war is deceit” (see the Hadith collection of Bukhari, vol. 4, book 52, numbers 268–271).
The Qur’an in a variety of verses justifies , using taqiyya, lying for Allah.

Cont

Cont

2:225. Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts; and He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Forbearing.
It’s Ok to lie to deceive an unbeliever.

3:28. Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers; if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (to remember) Himself, for the final goal is to Allah.

16:106. Anyone who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters unbelief, except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in faith, but such as open their breast to unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty.
40:28. A believer, a man from among the people of Pharaoh, who had concealed his faith, said: "Will ye slay a man because he says, 'My Lord is Allah'?--when he has indeed come to you with Clear (Signs) from your Lord? And if he be a liar on him is (the sin of) his lie: but, if he is telling the Truth, then will fall on you something of the (calamity) of which he warns you: truly Allah guides not one who transgresses and lies!

See the Hadith collection of Bukhari, vol. 4, book 52, number 271.
Narated By Jabir : The Prophet said, "Who is ready to kill Ka'b bin Ashraf (i.e. a Jew)." Muhammad bin Maslama replied, "Do you like me to kill him?" The Prophet replied in the affirmative. Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say what I like." The Prophet replied, "I do (i.e. allow you)."

Using taqiyya, deceit in warfare, to put his enemy at a disadvantage.

Now Foxy have a read of all that. It only Deals with Infidels. (Us) & Jizya Tax. I have a lot more on rules for Women. I'd sure that would interest you. I will post it if you like. Not nice. You 2nd Class Citizen you. ;-) Luv JB

Dear Jayb,

You're a bit of a worry continuing to quote from the
Koran. Smacks of some sort of a compulsion.

Tor Hundloe in his book, "From Buddha to Bono:
Seeking Sustainability", writes:

"The vast majority of modern mainstream Christians,
Jews, and Muslims seek a better life on earth,
rather than seeking it in heaven. Even if they believe
in heaven, they seek to have a happy life on earth.
Modern people (with normal family and social relationships,
and at least partially rational view of how the world works)
are not waiting for Armageddon, or a future coming of a
saviour. Nor are they waiting for anything else that
exercises the theological minds of fundamentalists.
We must keep in mind that the religiously minded modern
person is not a 'card-carrying' fundamentalist. The latter
are a tiny minority. Of whatever faith, a psychologist
would be likely to declare them to be of unsound mind."

"Modern people are focused on improving the human condition on
earth even if they hesitate to claim they can produce 'heaven
on earth'. Their attitude sits in direct contrast to the
vision of the fundamentalists. It cannot be stated strongly
enough, religious fundamentalism - where belief is the
literal word of the Bible, the Koran or the Torah, as the
rule book for how to live and die - is the arch enemy of
achieving the good sustainable life. Why? If the good life in
another (mythical) world, heaven, is what you seek, (and, for
some fundamentalists you want to get there as soon as possible)
what you do to earth today and what you do to your fellow
human beings does not matter. In fact, if Armageddon is a
necessary precursor to the second coming (and utopia in heaven)
you will destroy and kill to accelerate your embrace by God in the
hereafter. Very, very sad. And pathologically sick."

Hi AJ.

You have put all Nazis and Ku Klux Klansmen in a box and condemned them all as individuals because of what you say is the "demonstrably false and harmful beliefs they hold."

Muslims too hold "demonstrably false and harmful beliefs" but you are saying that they can not be judged as individuals because "nobody can claim to know what every Muslim believes."

Unless you apply the same standard to Nazis and Klansmen, you are guilty of (shudder) Discrimination, because you are applying an obvious double standard. Nazis and Ku Klux Klansmen are white and Muslims are almost invariable brown or black. And if you prejudge separate groups of people differently because of their skin colour, you are a racist. If you hold different groups of people to different standards according to their skin colour, while claiming that you are an anti racist, you are a hypocrite.

You are now claiming that "moderate" Muslims can be defined as those Muslims who "renounce terrorism." Reminded by me that does not exclude the remainder from "demonstrably false and harmful beliefs" such as wife beating, child marriages, the concept of female inferiority, the belief that raped women deserve it, honour killings, and a belief that homosexuals, apostates, and critics of Islam should be murdered, you tacked on a few more virtues of what you think a "moderate Muslim" may be.

The Pew Research figures you posted up revealed that between 17% to 36% of Muslims in Europe think that Islamic terrorism can be justified, while in those Muslim countries (which are not even the worst Muslim countries) between 45% to 72% of Muslims think the same. If there are 1.3 Billion Muslims in this world, and around half of them think that Islamic terrorism can be justified, then that means that there are around 600 million people in this world, some whom live in western countries, who are extremely dangerous. How objectionable the rest are, we just don't know.

The danger to our people is just too great unless we prejudge all Muslims the same way that you already prejudge all Nazis.

Foxy: Page 17, 2nd. Post: No I have not read the Koran, nor the Bible, the Torah, or any other holy book because I don't take any of them literally.

The reason I gave you those quotes is so you’ll know something about what we are really dealing with.

moslims “do” take “all” parts of the koran literally. I was just giving you the parts of the Koran that pertain to Infidels, like you & me. I haven’t included the bits about how to treat a woman. Now that will blow your mind. Especially when Sharia Law comes into the equation. I suggest you read & acquaint yourself with them, or not, it’s up to you. If you “Don’t want to know about it. “ that’s fine too.

Yes, I know just about all the bad bits in the Bible too especially the bits about stoning your children if they don’t behave. Eating your children if you’re are under siege & haven’t got any food left. Girls first. Marrying babies, but only older than three years & one day. Christians haven’t used these bit for thousands of years. In fact most people don’t even know they are in there. I love it when I tell the JH’s that because they believe it literally.