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Days of our lives : Comments

By Najla Turk, published 16/2/2017

I am your ordinary, middle-class, working mother that happens to be a practising Muslim who profoundly opposes terrorism and is ardently seeking harmony.

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Dear Jayb,

So you object to all the listings given, and you
take them all literally? I had not idea that you
were a believer.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 20 February 2017 2:21:58 PM
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Jayb,

Perhaps "the ordinary housewife" wii now come forward and tell us which parts of the Koran can be dismissed as out of date or subject to modern interpretation.
Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 20 February 2017 2:59:55 PM
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All Muslims take the instructions in the Koran seriously because they believe the instructions are the literal word of God. As such, they can never be amended. The problem with Islam is that it is unreformable. Mohammad preached that Islam was perfect in his own time and it must never change. So, we ended up with a major religion in the 21st century which is only suitable for desert caravan raiders.

Christians had a "Reformation" where they rejected the self evident corruption and greedy self interest of the clergy to explore once again the essential pacifist message of the religion's founder.

Islam is having "reformation" at the moment too. Utterly unable to explain why Allah has forsaken them and made the Islamic civilisation the impoverished and dysfunctional laughing stock of the world, they have collectively come to the conclusion that it is because they are not religious enough. So, just like the Christian's, they have gone back to the original scriptures to find guidance from God. And what does God say? Keeeel the eeenfidels. Take AJ's property. Turn Foxy into a sex slave. Keeeel the homosexuals. Keeeel the apostates. Keeeel those who insult the Prophet.

Unsurprisingly, their most devout are doing just as Allah ordered.

Now Foxy and AJ Phillips hold to the child like fantasy that most Muslims are "moderate", in that they are all secular democrats and that there are just a few nasty "Islamists" who give the majority of Muslims a bad name. Of course, this is a stereotype that the pair of them would never bestow on Nazis or Ku Klux Klan members. To be a Social Justice Warrior, you have to develop an unmatched capacity for double standards.

According to the Turkish President, there is no moderate Islam and radical Islam, "there is only Islam." Personally, I agree with him. That being so, we can see why Muslims in Australia refuse to condemn the Taliban or ISIS, while their head honcho blames Islamic terrorism on us. You see, the Talibs and ISIS are fighting for Islam. They are Jihadis, and therefore beyond criticism
Posted by LEGO, Monday, 20 February 2017 3:04:18 PM
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' I’m sorry I upset you, Runner. I did not wish to offend you.
However, it was the scientific method applied to my body that allowed medical experts to save my life on several occasions - not blind faith in a hypothetical god.'

well Banjo one day you will certainly wake up to the fact that all our days are numbered. I sincerely hope you have many more good days here. Your arguement regarding scientific method is nonsensical. Of course clever men have uncovered certain medicines and practices that assist us in health. Those men and women would not even exist if it were not for their Creator. This has nothing to do with pseudo science which makes up fairytales and ignores the obvious as to our existance (evolution being the chief fantasy).
Posted by runner, Monday, 20 February 2017 4:27:06 PM
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You cannot possibly know what every Muslim believes, LEGO.

<<All Muslims take the instructions in the Koran seriously because they believe the instructions are the literal word of God.>>

Really? Both the nice bits and the nasty bits? That’s some feat!

<<As such, [Islamic scriptures] can never be amended ...>>

The same goes for the Bible (See Proverbs 30:5-6, Psalms 119:89, Matthew 5:18, John 10:35). That's where interpretation comes in.

<<Christians had a "Reformation" where they rejected the [self-evident] corruption and greedy [self-interest] of the clergy …>>

If you’re referring to the birth of Protestantism, that was more about the belief in faith over good deeds as a means of entering Heaven. If you’re referring to the Enlightenment, that was driven by secular ideals that favoured reason over dogma.

<<... to explore once again the essential pacifist message of the religion's founder.>>

Sounds like you’re thinking of Matthew 5:39. But not everything Jesus said was pacifist. As I’ve already alluded to a couple of times now, Jesus sent mixed messages. There’s enough contradiction in the Bible and Jesus’ teachings for anyone of any persuasion to justify their actions - good or bad - so long as they cherry-pick (http://bibviz.com). How do you think slavery was justified in the US?

You don’t need to talk up Christianity to make Islam look bad. It does a fine job of that by itself.

<<Now Foxy and AJ Phillips hold to the [child-like] fantasy that most Muslims are "moderate" …>>

I haven’t said anything about percentages, but since you bring them up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_toward_terrorism#Polls

<<Of course, this is a stereotype that the pair of them would never bestow on Nazis or Ku Klux Klan members.>>

Firstly, it cannot, by definition, be a “stereotype” since it is not oversimplified.* Secondly, all Nazis and Klansmen define themselves by their horrible beliefs, so there is no double standard.

*http://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/stereotype

As graham pointed out, Islam is not going away. So you can either encourage radicalisation by marginalising all Muslims, or you can do your bit to not inflame the situation by showing tolerance towards the moderates.

Take your pick.
Posted by AJ Philips, Monday, 20 February 2017 5:10:30 PM
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If AJ's Christophobic nature is an advert for secularism then God help us. A master of misrepresation. No wonder he waters down Islam while displaying hatred towards his Maker.
Posted by runner, Monday, 20 February 2017 5:42:42 PM
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