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By Najla Turk, published 16/2/2017

I am your ordinary, middle-class, working mother that happens to be a practising Muslim who profoundly opposes terrorism and is ardently seeking harmony.

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33:36. It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger, to have any option about their decision: if anyone disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path.

9.3. And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage, that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the pagans. If, then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject faith.

9:5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them and seize them, beleaguer them and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war )
Allah Commands all moslems to fight unbelievers at "every" opportunity.

9:23 O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong

9:73. Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their Home: an evil fate.
Allah commands all moslems to wage war on unbelievers & kill all of them.

9:123: “O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allâh is with those who are the pious.”
Allah commands all moslems to wage war on your unbelieving friends. Allah is on your side.

18:26. Say: "Allah knows best how long they stayed: with Him is (the knowledge of) the secrets of the heavens and the earth: how clearly He sees, how finely He hears (everything)! They have no protector other than Him; nor does He share His Command with any person whatsoever.

More to come...
Posted by Jayb, Monday, 20 February 2017 6:42:41 PM
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Hi AJ.

Please define exactly what a "moderate" Muslim is? You can't do it because it is a figment of your quixotic imagination. Even if you could, I would just throw your own puerile line back at you and say that "you can't know what every moderate Muslim believes."

You prejudge all Nazis and Ku Klux Klansmen because of their common belief system, and you condemn them all because of the murderous behaviour of some. But when prejudging Muslims a different standard applies. You claim that their medieval, misogynistic and highly offensive belief system can not define them. It is a clear double standard which any person who's ability to think straight can easily comprehend.

How about that taxpayer funded Sharia Law apologist on Q&A who claimed that Islam is "feminism friendly"? I wonder how many people watching Q&A fell out of their chairs laughing at that one? In a way she was correct. Much to everybody's astonishment, modern day leftist feminists support a religion who believes in child marriages, clitoris removal, honour killings, wife beating, and that women are the property of men. That is where you Lefties are losing it. There is a clear disconnect between what you claim you believe and a reality which every ordinary person can clearly see.

Just like the racial IQ gap which you first denied and then accidently admitted to, I am sure that you know that Islam is extremely dangerous. But you are a wild eyed ideological fanatic who really does believe that wishful thinking should trump reality. Multiculturalism is falling down around your ears like the Berlin Wall. 50% of the French Army is now on duty patrolling the streets of France to stop Muslims from slaughtering the French. Rape Capitol of the World Sweden has 48 Muslim "no go" zones around Stockholm where police, ambulances and TV crews fear to tread.

The Left are the modern day Conservatives vainly defending an failed ideology using political censorship like 18C, while the Right are the new Progressives.

The times, they are, a changin'.
Posted by LEGO, Monday, 20 February 2017 7:12:16 PM
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Why certainly, LEGO.

<<Please define exactly what a "moderate" Muslim is? You can't do it …>>

I like the definition used within counterterrorism discourse: Muslims who denounce terrorism.

<<Even if you could, I would just throw your own puerile line back at you and say that "you can't know what every moderate Muslim believes.">>

If they denounce terrorism, then I know enough.

<<You prejudge all Nazis and Ku Klux Klansmen because of their common belief system, …>>

Well then it’s not “prejudging” now, is it?

http://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/prejudge

<<… and you condemn them all because of the murderous behaviour of some.>>

No, I condemn them because of the demonstrably harmful and false beliefs they hold.

<<But when prejudging Muslims a different standard applies.>>

Apparently not. Nor do I "prejudge" Muslims, for that matter.

<<You claim that their medieval, misogynistic and highly offensive belief system [cannot] define them.>>

As individuals, yes.

<<Much to everybody's astonishment, modern day leftist feminists support a religion who believes in child marriages, clitoris removal, honour killings, wife beating, and that women are the property of men.>>

I don’t know about “support”. However, I do find their silence disconcerting.

<<That is where you Lefties are losing it.>>

Do you know how to discuss anything without putting people into convenient little boxes? Apparently not.

<<There is a clear disconnect between what you claim you believe and a reality which every ordinary person can clearly see.>>

You mean, what YOU claim I believe.

<<Just like the racial IQ gap which you first denied and then accidently admitted to, …>>

Oh? “accidentally admitted to” now? This scurrilous little furphy of yours becomes more and more embellished every time you tell it. It used to be that I was “forced” to admit it. You still can’t point to where this happened, though.

See what happens when you lie? You have to remember your lies.

<<Rape [Capital] of the World Sweden has 48 Muslim "no go" zones around Stockholm where police, ambulances and TV crews fear to tread.>>

Ah, the immigrant rape and “no-go” zones myths.

http://debunkingdenialism.com/2015/12/12/how-anti-immigration-activists-misuse-rape-statistics
http://debunkingdenialism.com/2017/01/20/debunking-the-myth-of-no-go-zones-in-sweden
Posted by AJ Philips, Monday, 20 February 2017 9:14:12 PM
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I have nothing against Muslims. Their problems come from little or no education and that book that is forced down their throat which is obviously composed by a warlord and woman hater.
I would rather have kids adopted into our country rather than persons that far indebted into the words of barbarism.
Their teachings belong in ancient times, and have no place in Australia.
Sacrifice the adults and give relocation to the kids.
Posted by doog, Monday, 20 February 2017 10:24:43 PM
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Dear Runner,

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You wrote :

[ « … it was the scientific method applied to my body that allowed medical experts to save my life on several occasions - not blind faith in a hypothetical god »
Banjo … your argument regarding scientific method is nonsensical. Of course, clever men have uncovered certain medicines and practices that assist us in health. Those men and women would not even exist if it were not for their Creator ]
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I do not understand why you think the scientific method is nonsensical if it allows clever men to save my life. It makes sense to me.

Would you kindly explain ?

Also, I presume you consider the “Creator” created me and my brother too. How do you explain the fact that he made us with faulty material and/or manufacturing defects. Is he not perfect ? Does he make mistakes ?

Do you consider he is responsible for my brother’s premature death ?

Is he trying to kill me too ? If so, why did he “create” the medical experts who have saved my life on several occasions ? Is he just playing games with my life ? Russian roulette perhaps ?

What about Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol-pot and cohorts ? Are you sure, as you say : “those men … would not even exist if it were not for their Creator”. Did they carry out their mission to his satisfaction ? Is he pleased with them ? Or do you think he might try to do better next time ?

Should we forgive him for “creating” such monsters ? Should I forgive him for trying to kill me too (if he exists) ?

You then very kindly add :

« I sincerely hope you have many more good days here »

Shh … ! He might overhear you, Runner. Beware of the wroth of the “Creator” ! I shouldn’t like anything bad to happen to you, just because of me. If he wants to kill me, let him get on with it. I’ll just keep dodging.

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 12:30:32 AM
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Oh, that's cute, AJ. By that definition, ISIS is "moderate" because they denounce US "terrorism." Cmon, AJ. Your entire humanitarian ideology is starting to stink like a tub full of rotting fish, because you insist that Muslims are no threat to us when their own scriptures instruct them in black and white script to kill us. And when their most devout do just that, you pretend it is not happening and try to blame the victims. Even the western homosexuals are starting to think twice, that is why your loony left mates are going overboard rioting and burning, trying to shut up homosexual Milos Yianopoulous. But watching homosexuals get chucked off buildings by the most devout Muslims while the "moderates" say nothing is beginning to frighten them.

Do your mythical "moderate" Muslims denounce the killing of homosexuals, AJ? Do they denounce the murder of those who criticise Islam? Do "moderate" Muslims agree that Muslims who choose to leave Islam should not be killed? Could you please direct me to a "moderate" Muslim website where these mythical "moderate" Muslims agree to just these three principles?

So, you prejudge all Nazis as bad, including neo-Nazis who had nothing to do with WW2 or the Holocaust, because they are "demonstrably harmful and false beliefs they hold." Muslims are demonstrably harmful, just ask the Middle Eastern Christians and Jews who have been fleeing in millions from Muslim dominated countries for the last 100 years. And exactly which unfalse beliefs that Muslims hold do you agree with? Is it Mohammad's insistence that women are inferior? That husbands may beat their wives? That raped women deserve it? That Islam should spread by armed force? That infidels should be murdered, maimed, and humiliated?

I will tell how your double standard works, AJ. You blanket condemn all Nazis and all Ku Klux Klansmen because they are white. You refuse to use the same standard with Muslims because they are brown. The only race you demand must uphold the your highest principles is the white race. Non whites get a free pass no matter what they believe or do.
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 3:15:42 AM
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