//surely ACL must be judged by what the Bible says on these issues and in my experience they are usually in accord//

No they're bloody not.

//either you are not reading your bible or ignoring what it says both of which cast doubts on your claims to be Christians//

No, it's the ACL who ignore what their Bible says. Which is why most Christians think they're a bit of a joke.

If the Government realised that they aren't actually representative of most Australian Christians and stopped listening to them, we'd all be a lot better off. But somehow they'be managed to hoodwink the Government into believing that the name of their organisation isn't a misnomer. If only our politicians weren't so easily conned... and if only a supposedly Christian organisation wasn't OK with lying through its teeth to advance its Tory agenda. Isn't there a commandment against telling porkies?

I'm sorry Toni but I do read through my bible, all of it, every year, and I know what it says. It says if you are a practising homosexual (including lesbians O Sung Wu- Romans 1:24-32; and Jude 7 among other passage less directly ) it is a perversion of God's created order like other sexual immorality, like any other sin, and needs to be acknowledged as such, confessed, repented of, abstained from. As such SSM is also a perversion of Marriage. As for ACL 'lies' it is the LGBIT activists who are the true liars, continuing to make the long debunked claim that they comprise 10 percent of the population when Science and the most reliable and recent surveys show it is less than a third that, saying gender is fluid with no evidence, and claiming there will be no real changes except for a few words in the constitution if SSM is legalised. We can only hope that more and more people start to see this, especially those claiming to be Christians.

Toni Lavis:

It really does not matter whether ACL represent Christians or not. The only thing that matters is the argument they put forward for SSM. If their argument is illogical then it should be ignored in the same way as any other illogical argument.

Hi there MARICUS...

My knowledge of the Bible could only be described a scant at best. I wasn't aware that the Bible prohibited lesbian practices, but it did nevertheless roundly condemn that of sodomy. In relation to criminality per se, lesbian behaviour was not in itself breaking any law, except for some behaviour that might come as a consequence of lesbian activities in public places.

I didn't know the Bible condemned lesbians as well, though for what precisely I couldn't imagine? A couple of women having a kiss 'n cuddle in the back seat of their car? That's rough I reckon.

One thing I can share with you, quite authoritatively as well - the number of really serious, violent crimes committed against the person, in the name of male homosexuality, would positively amaze you MARICUS. Jealousy among male homosexuals alone, has accounted for some of the very worst of murders I've seen in my over 32 years in the job, including those committed in NSW maximum security gaols!

Hey all - last election those that voted Liberal knew one of the issues being a plebiscite on SSM. Well since then "voters" have been denied our democratic "right" to say yes or no via labor and other parties?

So I ask a pertinent question - why?

Why were parties so against a plebiscite .... maybe, just maybe there were more against changing the marriage act than they were prepared to acknowledge ..... just saying.

Saints, when did the 'voters' last get a chance to vote on a simple legislative change? Oh yeah, never. It is not a democratic right to have a vote about changing legislation. To even propose such a thing is lunacy and abrogation of parliamentary responsibility.