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United Nations must end Hamas and PLO stranglehold on power : Comments
By David Singer, published 13/9/2016The United Nations has allowed the conflict between Hamas and the PLO to career out of control for the last 10 years.
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Posted by LEFTY ONE, Monday, 19 September 2016 1:51:40 PM
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France condemns the destruction on September 7 by Israel of humanitarian facilities funded by European and international donors, including France, in the Palestinian village of Al Aqaba (in Area C of the West Bank).
This is the fourth time that Israeli authorities have destroyed humanitarian structures funded by French humanitarian assistance since the start of 2016. France expresses its deep concern at the continuation – at an unprecedented rate – of the demolition and confiscation of structures intended for the Palestinian population. It calls on the Israeli authorities to put an end to these operations which are contrary to international law and jeopardize the two-State solution to which France is attached. Posted by nicknamenick, Monday, 19 September 2016 2:17:11 PM
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A suggestion for the ultra-racist David Singer. Listen carefully to that distant sound. Yes it's a bell. Yes it tolled for Boer South Africa. Its sound grew louder until it was deafening. The racist Boer state began to crumble, and soon it was deafening and the racist state was wiped from the face of the earth as the last defences collapsed.
I know you can hear the tolling of the bells for racist Israel - that's why you keep railing against them with absurd cries of "Jew-hatred". But the foundations are crumbling, any remaining world public sympathy is turning away in disgust, Israel will go the way of its old ally Boer South Africa. Racism is no longer the flavour of the month. What an excellent riddance. Posted by EmperorJulian, Monday, 19 September 2016 7:59:38 PM
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#LEFTY ONE
Your response is disturbing: 1.You previously stated: “I have watched many clips on news broadcasts. Reporters that I don’t believe are bias have talked to soldiers about the instructions they have to follow when dealing with stone throwing children.” I replied: “This generalised and unsubstantiated statement cannot possibly justify your claim that “Israel's military are behaving in many cases like rabid dogs.” You now respond: “I know that many people like you aren’t interested in information that disproves your belief. So, on this point we will just have to agree to differ.” No we cannot simply agree to differ. You still have not produced any information to support what you saw or heard on those news broadcasts. Tell me what those reporters or soldiers said. 2. You further state: “According to http://mondoweiss.net/2015/02/palestinians-israeli-elections/#sthash.W3EtiZ8M.dpuf Jews can vote no matter where they live, but Arabs who have rejected Israeli citizenship who live in Gaza, East Jerusalem, and the west bank can’t. vote. “ This is not what that article states. This is what it actually states: “Any of Israel’s 6.5 million citizens can vote, including the 20-percent minority Palestinian citizens of Israel.” That is precisely what I told you when you wrongly claimed: “According to all the dictionaries I have ever read a democracy is a nation that has one adult one vote. In the Israeli system only Jews can vote for the members of the Knesset.” My response to you: “You are wrong. Every citizen of Israel – Arab and Jewish - has a vote. https://www.knesset.gov.il/description/eng/eng_mimshal_beh.htm#6 What kind of misleading and deceptive game are you trying to play here? 3.You finally state: “And your final question. It depends what you mean by the state of Israel. “ I think you are trying to avoid answering the question – just like #Toni Lavis. However to answer your query to be more specific - I mean the State of Israel that has been recognised as a member State of the United Nations since 11 May 1949. Should Israel be wiped off the map? Please give me a “yes” or “no” answer. Posted by david singer, Monday, 19 September 2016 11:09:10 PM
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David
Who is being disturbed by my posts? Perhaps someone other than you could make a post that explains why they are disturbed. If you are being disturbed perhaps you should cut down the amount of time you spend on this forum. Why can’t you just except that I like others have seen enough information to convince us that many in the IDF behave like rabid dogs. I am happy for you to believe what you want on this point, please show me the same courtesy. 2 I am not sure why you ignored the rest of this article, so here it is for anyone else who is still interested in this thread. Who can vote? Any of Israel’s 6.5 million citizens can vote, including the 20-percent minority Palestinian citizens of Israel. Special arrangements are made for active duty soldiers to cast ballots in advance of election day and citizens abroad can vote in embassies. Polling stations are set-up throughout the West Bank and East Jerusalem to allow voting for the 550,000 Israelis who live in occupied territory. Who cannot vote? Palestinians with Jerusalem IDs– some 350,000 residents of occupied East Jerusalem– are not citizens of Israel and cannot vote in national elections, although they can cast ballots in municipal elections. Even though these Palestinians are not able to vote, they are still subject to Israeli law, pay taxes to the state, and are eligible for national benefits such as healthcare. But the 300,000 to 350,000 Israeli settlers living in East Jerusalem who are Israeli citizens can vote. And while Israeli settlers in the West Bank can vote, the Palestinians living in the remainder of the occupied territory, the West Bank and Gaza, are not eligible to vote. So, to your last question. I think the state of Israel has morphed into something that was not intended by those who wrote up the original treaty. I don’t think the state of Israel should be eliminated, just modified. I am happy to continue with answering your posts, but not until you answer the questions in my last post. Chris Posted by LEFTY ONE, Tuesday, 20 September 2016 12:29:07 AM
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#LEFTY ONE
Sorry - you are not getting off the hook so easily. 1. You now state: “Why can’t you just except that I like others have seen enough information to convince us that many in the IDF behave like rabid dogs.” Why? Because you cannot make such a serious allegation without substantiating the information you rely on. It is an allegation that denigrates and delegitimises Israel without the slightest bit of evidence to support it. Put up your evidence or shut up. 2. It was you who said: “According to all the dictionaries I have ever read a democracy is a nation that has one adult one vote. In the Israeli system only Jews can vote for the members of the Knesset.” Again – if true – an allegation that would have justified a response. But it was a lie – as I pointed out when I told you backed up by the evidence to support it: “Every citizen of Israel – Arab and Jewish - has a vote. https://www.knesset.gov.il/description/eng/eng_mimshal_beh.htm#6 Instead of just simply admitting you were wrong you come back by submitting an article purportedly seeking to rebut my claim which itself states: “Any of Israel’s 6.5 million citizens can vote, including the 20-percent minority Palestinian citizens of Israel.” There could not be any clearer evidence that you were absolutely wrong and now need to withdraw your allegation which obviously was again designed to denigrate and delegitimise Israel. Withdraw it unequivocally. 3. You now state: “I think the state of Israel has morphed into something that was not intended by those who wrote up the original treaty. I don’t think the state of Israel should be eliminated, just modified.” No evidence is given to support any of these vague and unsubstantiated claims: (i) What was intended by those who wrote up the original treaty (ii) Who wrote up the original treaty (iii) What was the original treaty (iv) How should the State of Israel be modified. Your opinion counts for nothing unless backed up by the facts to justify it. Posted by david singer, Tuesday, 20 September 2016 8:30:21 AM
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I am not sure why you skipped my questions, perhaps the word count ran out. So I will pose them again.
1. Why has there been so much hate in the world for Jews over the last thousand years or so.
2. What will Israel do when Uncle Sam is finally declared broke and can’t send you free weapons to protect you from a world that still hates you?
3. When will the population rise up against the 6 families that seem to own almost everything in the country?
4. Do you think the Palestinians should have their own state, and if so where?
And finally I still don’t know if you as a Jew want to live in neighborhoods that have other non Jews living in them. Do you fear people who are not Jewish?
Chris