Dear Cherful,

I appreciate your intelligent questions to Dan and await his response.

However, I must protest about your abusive and unwarranted attack on "any religion on earth".
Those people which seek power and wealth through women's wombs are not even religious, mere pretenders.

Diver dan returns from his halal feast at the local hotel with Muslim friends: (cont.,)

Apart from sitting in the beer garden in torrential rain with wind gusts of 120k's , and arriving one hour before the restaurant opened, the night was a classic!

Muslims; good Muslims, will not enter an area serving alcohol. We feasted on thick slabs of halal certified steak, copious coffee and an endless supply of deserts...fear not, it is a tough life for some!

And conversed on numerous subjects applicable to most Australians, the condition of life.
How were Abdul's children coping with a new school. The eldest son, who had previously attended a Muslim boys school, and now attends a co-ed public school * cause that's where the girls are*, rolled his father on the issue, and knuckled his way to his chosen position in the school yard, against fierce odds of racism. Abdul: I'm proud of my boy, the way he fights for what he wants!
And his three daughters? All high achievers with their own story, attending Muslim private schools.

We discussed the reasons people continue to live in Sydney and pay $800pw rent, and what an impossible strain this situation is on young families, and why he lives in a Sydney Muslim diaspora. We discussed the Muslim, Jewish and Christian diasporas in China, established along the ancient silk trails, where there are 20 million Chinese Muslims alone.

No, we did not discuss the Muslim religion, but we did discuss the Jews, where armed guards secure their children in school compounds in Sydney. (At tax payers expense of course, amusement):

Discussions on Abdul's friend who returned from Africa and established a two million dollar assistance fund, with donations from the Muslim community in Sydney, within a week.

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No, we did not discuss morality, but that is a given. We did not discuss psychopathic Muslims, nor psychopathic Christians for that matter, that's also a given: Nor the paths on offer for such miscreants to vent their sick fetish. Nor the gay Mardi Gras. All subjects designed to bring the conversation down!

And no, I have no desire to convert to Islam, I'm a Christian, simply because (as with Muslim Abdul), fate designed it that way, why fear that?

yuyutsu

Thank you for your kind words.

The money trail in most religions from what Ive observed leads straight
back to the priests and imans.

They
drive their income that they need to survive, from their followers
whether its payment for weddings,funerals,teaching in muslim schools,
whatever.
Therefore the more followers, the more income. No followers or very few, means
they suddenly have to worry about how they are going to eat and pay their mortage.

Like most of us, fear grips the heart when we suddenly have no way to provide for
our survival needs.
That means the men who suck off the teats of the church for their very existence
will always try to control the fertility of women. One way they do that is making sure
the male has the power in the marriage and that contraception is not easily available.
Then they can breathe a sigh of relief and sit back with no money worries for the rest of their lives.

I just belive, that there is most always a horse called self-interest, when you look
at the reasons people do things.

Im not attacking God, so much as the priests,imans and men who hold power
in the church. There is nothing too godlike about a lot of them.
As you say they are not the holy men they might like to be.
especially when it comes to their income

Even the Christian church, still has Gods law as not allowing contraception,even
when someone asked the Pope if it was alright to wear a condom to avoid aids.
The answer was no. The Pope wears ruby rings and lives in luxury, waited on by
servants. That kind of lifestyle costs money.

In a nutshell Cherful, religious institutions of all creeds, are subverted and corrupt to a greater or lesser extent.

Any social institutions with rule-governed behaviour, which have at their core, a power base, will be under the pressure of corruption: even the family unit is subject to this pressure, where the subtle, (and at times less subtle), pressure for control, is faught-out between husband and wife.

These struggles are not confined to Muslims alone. Add in the Catholic Church, with its subversion by Pheidippides and homosexuals, as a stark example!