Cherful...I have another view on why the west is in the state it is. It's a moral issue.
If we are to countenance the immoral as the normal, by ticking off street parades celebrating homosexuality ; celebrate atheism as the new God, (which is actually Godless), then the righteous, who no longer are Christains, will fight for the void!

DD: then the righteous, who no longer are Christains, will fight for the void!

& I take it you option is to turn moslim? I like the book. "Just say No." by Far Koff.

Diver Dan, are you a moslem ?

Diver Dan
What harm do the poor old homosexuals do you.

Nature throws down the genetics, and a lot of humans are not absolute in
their combination of male and female.
At the top you get the real Alpha male macho man, then you get a lot of skinny
wimpy unalpha males who whilst undoubtedly being male,look like they have a bit more
percentage female in their make up.

While the Alpha male is genetically 100% male, the weaker males look more like
70% male,30% female.
The poor old homosxuals are right out on the edge of the genetic combinations and
so their difference is obvious to those around them. so they get persecuted.

On the female side you have the 100% alpha female, she is voluptuos in her femaleness, and just oozes sex appeal. Then you get more androgenous females,
say like Margaret Thatcher, the ex primminster of Britain. I think she was 60%female
and 40%male. Then you get women with very athletic builds who could beat most male apponents in tennis, etc.if they were allowed to compete against them. These women
obviously have more male attributes, you can see it in some of them. not all
female athletes but there have been some who had a strong masculine look to them.

Nature churns out homosexuals in the millions, there is perhaps a biological survival
advantage to communities to have these sexual crossovers in times of massive deaths
like most of the males in a community being wiped out in a war or something.
They have that male ability side.

Likewise if the mothers of babies in a community were all kidnapped or killed the
homosexuals could stepx into the nuturing gap temporarily.

Diver Dan,
Why is it that religions as a whole view anything sexual as the worst sin in the
universe where people must be stoned to death or belted if the wind blows uo and shows a slight bit of ankle.

Mostly the males who commit sexual sins (your so called moral decline offences)
receive no punishment, the women go to prison if they are raped.

There are tremondous acts of torture and barbarity, but religions seem ok with that
they save the death punishments and stonings for sex offenses

Really its about male control of womens bodies. More accurately the priests and imans
of ant religion on earth, gaing their poer and wealth by the number of people under their rule. Therefore to hold onto that power these men at the top of religions want
womens wombs churning out evermore followers to prop up their power, and
yes the monetary luxury that is provided by their religious dictatorship of countries.

Its just like Woolworths ensuring they have millions of paying customers, the religious leaders must control women and their wombs to do the same.

Western Nations have built wonderful societies, whereas take a look at the muslim nations around the world. They have built their societies, on so called sexual sin punishment. But they dont punish the main sexual perpetrators, the men.
How many young boys are abusd by the imans. Theyd kill you or throw you
in prison if you dared speak up about that. How many young girls or boys are raped by their uncles or fathers in muslim households again that is never spoken og or punished

Male moral decadence or downright criminal sexual behaviour by males is probably rampant in muslim societies because the one who speaks up about it is punished and silenced. No moral superiority in those societies,only enslavement of women and youn girls

To Diver Dan.

I think you should be more particular about the company you keep.

Your liberal humanitarian views are a credit to you. Sweden is place just full of people nice people like you. Did you hear about the 40 Swedish girls got raped or sexually assaulted recently at an anti racism pop concert, by Muslims and Africans? Those nice anti racist Swedish girls just learned the hard way that a bit of racism is not such a bad idea. Reality bites. And sometimes reality gropes and rapes.