Well you've finally come clean and admitted there's no intention on the part of the Israelis to abide by the previously negotiated and agreed to, road map to a two state solution?

Unlike you David, I hope the French initiative goes somewhere and gets parties together to nut out a final agreement?
And policed by the UN, replete with redoutable armor and air support, that ends the bloodshed by either side!?

Perhaps they should send you instead, and make sure you don't come back without (my wife wouldn't let me) Nethanyahu's John Hancock on paper!
Rhrosty.

Yes David you would think that the French would of learnt after experiencing terrorist attacks. Israel faces these daily and still have the fools in Europe pretending that somehow the made up Palestinians would be happy with any sort of arrangements. Israel has already surrendered enough of their land.

Runner: Their land?

Dear Runner,

I am relating to Rhrosty's point:

Even if the whole land of Israel belongs to the Jewish people by divine decree and even if they are already forgiven for their sins and their punishment of losing that land is over (which is seriously contented by most Jewish Rabbis), this doesn't imply that the land belongs to the state of Israel.

The state of Israel is a civil institution, not a religious entity. A significant proportion of Israeli citizens is non-Jewish while perhaps half the Jews are non-Israelis.

Even among the citizens of Israel, most bible-believing Jews do not consider the state of Israel a spiritual entity, but rather a tool of convenience (and for the most ultra-orthodox, an inconvenience). Only a minority, that's the disciples of Rabbi Kook, assign mystical properties to the state of Israel and base its existence and purpose on biblical sources (i.e. the Song of Songs).

As those Jews who believe that the Jewish people own the whole land of Israel AND that their punishment is over, are the interested party in settling Jews in the West Bank and beyond, they could still create their own second or even third Jewish state, relieving the state of Israel from the burden of having to hold the 1967 territories for them. Given the Muslims have more than 20 states, why should the Jews have only one?

Israel's 1967 conquest had nothing to do with Judaism and was not a Jewish conquest: it was a socialist government that led that war and which held onto the occupied territories for the wrong and impure motives, damaging the morale and psyche of the citizens of Israel. Those Jews who believe in a Jewish conquest, should conquer the land themselves. Whether God supports them in that, is left to be seen.

#Rhrosty

You state:
"Well you've finally come clean and admitted there's no intention on the part of the Israelis to abide by the previously negotiated and agreed to, road map to a two state solution?"

On what material in my article do you make this statement"

The French have as much hope of getting Israel and the PLO to "nut out a final agreement" as you have of renouncing your Jew-hatred.

Your suggestion that I go to the conference (if indeed it actually is ever held) has some attraction provided I am put up in the same luxury and fed the same fine food as the rest of the distinguished delegates.

#runner

Nice to read someone who understands the current situation. Poor #Rhrosty is totally out of his depth.

#Rhrosty

What is "their land"?

It comprises 78% of the land comprised in the Mandate for Palestine within which the Jewish National Home was to be reconstituted under the League of Nations Mandate - but which was closed to Jewish settlement in 1922.

This land had been part of the Ottoman Empire for 400 years until liberated by the Principal Allied Powers in World War 1.

#yuyutsu

You state:
"As those Jews who believe that the Jewish people own the whole land of Israel AND that their punishment is over, are the interested party in settling Jews in the West Bank and beyond, they could still create their own second or even third Jewish state, relieving the state of Israel from the burden of having to hold the 1967 territories for them."

Wrong.

All Israeli Governments of differing political persuasions have since 1967 supported the right of Jews to live in Judea and Samaria (West Bank).

Such right was specifically given to all Jews- religious and non-religious - under article 6 of the Mandate for Palestine and article 80 of the UN Charter.

BTW - when are you going to agree that the stabbing and road ramming killings of Israelis by Palestinian Arabs is "murder".
Even #plantaganet and #mikk have acknowledged this fact.

You continue to hold out. Why?

Dear David,

<<All Israeli Governments of differing political persuasions have since 1967 supported the right of Jews to live in Judea and Samaria (West Bank).>>

Only because they were pressured into it. They did initially oppose and held off the first settlement in Sebastia during 1974, but eventually in 1975 they gave in and bowed down to the pressure. Subsequent governments understood that they cannot afford a civil war as these Messianic-induced settlers are capable of anything. Indeed when settlers were resisted, several Israel-army officers were wounded by them, many army vehicles were sabotaged, and threats were made to kidnap the children of ranking military officers from their kindergartens and kill them unless the army withdrew their plans to evict and arrest settlers.

Fact is that until the settlers came, the occupied Arab population of both the West Bank and Gaza was friendly to Israel. They did not call themselves "Palestinians", they only wanted to sell their wares to Israeli tourists which travelled all across the West Bank and Gaza without fear. They worked in Israel without restrictions, there were no road-blocks, no terror, no uprising, it was all peaceful until the settlers came.

<<Such right was specifically given to all Jews- religious and non-religious - under article 6 of the Mandate for Palestine and article 80 of the UN Charter.>>

I have no interest to enter this worn-out discussion whether the above is correct or otherwise. Who cares? Even if it is, that's a private matter between the UN and Jews, so it's none of my business.

As far as I'm concerned, let Jews settle wherever they want - so long as it is not under the auspices of the state of Israel.

<<when are you going to agree that the stabbing and road ramming killings of Israelis by Palestinian Arabs is "murder".>>

Perhaps it is, but why should I care to classify them? I don't care for formalities and legalities anyway. They try to kill my family, so regardless what they are and why they do it, my clear position is that they ought to be killed first.