Well you've finally come clean and admitted there's no intention on the part of the Israelis to abide by the previously negotiated and agreed to, road map to a two state solution?

Unlike you David, I hope the French initiative goes somewhere and gets parties together to nut out a final agreement?
And policed by the UN, replete with redoutable armor and air support, that ends the bloodshed by either side!?

Perhaps they should send you instead, and make sure you don't come back without (my wife wouldn't let me) Nethanyahu's John Hancock on paper!
Rhrosty.

Yes David you would think that the French would of learnt after experiencing terrorist attacks. Israel faces these daily and still have the fools in Europe pretending that somehow the made up Palestinians would be happy with any sort of arrangements. Israel has already surrendered enough of their land.

Runner: Their land?

Dear Runner,

I am relating to Rhrosty's point:

Even if the whole land of Israel belongs to the Jewish people by divine decree and even if they are already forgiven for their sins and their punishment of losing that land is over (which is seriously contented by most Jewish Rabbis), this doesn't imply that the land belongs to the state of Israel.

The state of Israel is a civil institution, not a religious entity. A significant proportion of Israeli citizens is non-Jewish while perhaps half the Jews are non-Israelis.

Even among the citizens of Israel, most bible-believing Jews do not consider the state of Israel a spiritual entity, but rather a tool of convenience (and for the most ultra-orthodox, an inconvenience). Only a minority, that's the disciples of Rabbi Kook, assign mystical properties to the state of Israel and base its existence and purpose on biblical sources (i.e. the Song of Songs).

As those Jews who believe that the Jewish people own the whole land of Israel AND that their punishment is over, are the interested party in settling Jews in the West Bank and beyond, they could still create their own second or even third Jewish state, relieving the state of Israel from the burden of having to hold the 1967 territories for them. Given the Muslims have more than 20 states, why should the Jews have only one?

Israel's 1967 conquest had nothing to do with Judaism and was not a Jewish conquest: it was a socialist government that led that war and which held onto the occupied territories for the wrong and impure motives, damaging the morale and psyche of the citizens of Israel. Those Jews who believe in a Jewish conquest, should conquer the land themselves. Whether God supports them in that, is left to be seen.

#Rhrosty

You state:
"Well you've finally come clean and admitted there's no intention on the part of the Israelis to abide by the previously negotiated and agreed to, road map to a two state solution?"

On what material in my article do you make this statement"

The French have as much hope of getting Israel and the PLO to "nut out a final agreement" as you have of renouncing your Jew-hatred.

Your suggestion that I go to the conference (if indeed it actually is ever held) has some attraction provided I am put up in the same luxury and fed the same fine food as the rest of the distinguished delegates.

#runner

Nice to read someone who understands the current situation. Poor #Rhrosty is totally out of his depth.

#Rhrosty

What is "their land"?

It comprises 78% of the land comprised in the Mandate for Palestine within which the Jewish National Home was to be reconstituted under the League of Nations Mandate - but which was closed to Jewish settlement in 1922.

This land had been part of the Ottoman Empire for 400 years until liberated by the Principal Allied Powers in World War 1.

#yuyutsu

You state:
"As those Jews who believe that the Jewish people own the whole land of Israel AND that their punishment is over, are the interested party in settling Jews in the West Bank and beyond, they could still create their own second or even third Jewish state, relieving the state of Israel from the burden of having to hold the 1967 territories for them."

Wrong.

All Israeli Governments of differing political persuasions have since 1967 supported the right of Jews to live in Judea and Samaria (West Bank).

Such right was specifically given to all Jews- religious and non-religious - under article 6 of the Mandate for Palestine and article 80 of the UN Charter.

BTW - when are you going to agree that the stabbing and road ramming killings of Israelis by Palestinian Arabs is "murder".
Even #plantaganet and #mikk have acknowledged this fact.

You continue to hold out. Why?

Dear David,

<<All Israeli Governments of differing political persuasions have since 1967 supported the right of Jews to live in Judea and Samaria (West Bank).>>

Only because they were pressured into it. They did initially oppose and held off the first settlement in Sebastia during 1974, but eventually in 1975 they gave in and bowed down to the pressure. Subsequent governments understood that they cannot afford a civil war as these Messianic-induced settlers are capable of anything. Indeed when settlers were resisted, several Israel-army officers were wounded by them, many army vehicles were sabotaged, and threats were made to kidnap the children of ranking military officers from their kindergartens and kill them unless the army withdrew their plans to evict and arrest settlers.

Fact is that until the settlers came, the occupied Arab population of both the West Bank and Gaza was friendly to Israel. They did not call themselves "Palestinians", they only wanted to sell their wares to Israeli tourists which travelled all across the West Bank and Gaza without fear. They worked in Israel without restrictions, there were no road-blocks, no terror, no uprising, it was all peaceful until the settlers came.

<<Such right was specifically given to all Jews- religious and non-religious - under article 6 of the Mandate for Palestine and article 80 of the UN Charter.>>

I have no interest to enter this worn-out discussion whether the above is correct or otherwise. Who cares? Even if it is, that's a private matter between the UN and Jews, so it's none of my business.

As far as I'm concerned, let Jews settle wherever they want - so long as it is not under the auspices of the state of Israel.

<<when are you going to agree that the stabbing and road ramming killings of Israelis by Palestinian Arabs is "murder".>>

Perhaps it is, but why should I care to classify them? I don't care for formalities and legalities anyway. They try to kill my family, so regardless what they are and why they do it, my clear position is that they ought to be killed first.

G'day David

I see you have evoked my good name "plantagenet". Here is an alternate view to the customary Netanyahu-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likud line.

For that reason I (1/8th Jewish amongst other connections) present a more critical view of Netanyahu and how he leads Israel on the wrong path http://www.algemeiner.com/2016/02/05/netanyahus-abuse-of-israeli-national-security/ :

"Netanyahu’s Abuse of Israeli National Security
FEBRUARY 5, 2016 5:00 AM

Israel’s historical experiences, coupled with decades of violent confrontations with Arab states and the Palestinians, have created a major psychological barrier embedded in the psyche of every Israeli, placing Israel’s legitimate national security concerns at the center of its domestic and foreign policy. That said, no military might or even the expropriation of the entire West Bank will guarantee Israel’s security, short of a sustainable Israeli-Palestinian peace.

The Netanyahu government’s linking of national security to the so-called “defensive borders” is disingenuous and misleading, designed to provide a cover for his and his cabinet’s continued intoxication with seizing Palestinian territories.

In the age of rockets and precision missile technology, territorial depth can no longer guarantee Israel’s security, as Hamas has been able to rain thousands of rockets on Israel, some of which have reached Jerusalem and Tel Aviv.

The current “knife Intifada” also reveals the absurdity of the argument that borders, any border, can provide air-tight security. It is the occupation and the continuing expansion of the settlements that are behind these violent outbursts, and as long as the occupation persists, Israel will not know a day of rest.

In December 2012, Gabi Ashkenazi, the former chief of staff of the Israeli army, reconfirmed the sentiments of many of his colleagues when he said: “Israel must recognize the limits of its power and cooperate with forces that support Israeli interests.”

This was aptly expressed by another top Israeli military commander, Shaul Arieli, who said, “We believe that peace will provide better security than anything else.” Otherwise, all security measures, however coercive, elaborate, and sophisticated, cannot guarantee Israel’s national security."

More later.

Pete

Re ABOVE "Netanyahu’s Abuse of Israeli National Security"

You'll see the author Dr Alon Ben-Meir, has published the essay above (some differing titles) in many publications around the world. US, Australia-OLO, Pakistan, Palestine, Israel, Turkey, UN, EU-Germany etc

see if this string works https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Israel%E2%80%99s+historical+experiences%2C+coupled+with+decades+of+violent+confrontations

Dr Alon Ben-Meir's essay deserves more discussion not just on Palestine vs Israel but regarding Netanyahu's gross leadership failures.

In the Israeli democracy the Netanyahu Line has many critics in the highest circles of national security.

We have seen what Hamas and other terrorist do to the land they already live in. They teach their young boys and girls how to stab Jews, lie to the gullible/deceitful media and then claim the victim status. Give these terrorist more land and they will enslave and brainwash even more kids. The Palestinian state is an invention of the leftist Jew hating brigade. How thick can the French be. You would think after their hopelessly failed leftist immigration policy they would eat a little humble pie. Instead they pursue their anti semitic rhetoric.

#Yuyutsu

Since you are incapable of understanding and acknowledging that:
1. stabbing civilians in the back whilst shopping in supermarkets and 2. running over other civilians at bus stops
is murder and that their attackers are murderers - there is no possibility of having any rational discussion with you.

Go back to your exemplars - snakes,sharks and crocodiles.

Hopefully they will welcome you with open mouths.

#plantaganet

Not really interested in your further attempt to deflect attention from the content of my article by referring me to only half the content of another article which has nothing to do with the French attempt to call an international conference.

Big revelation - Netanyahu does not enjoy universal support in Israel. Neither does Obama in US, Cameron in UK or Turnbull in Oz.
Abbas and Haniyeh enjoy universal support because they keep their people in a perpetual state of silence by fear, intimidation and absence of elections. Target them if you really want to see the Jewish-Arab conflict resolved.

If you wish to specifically address anything I wrote - please feel free to do so - although I thought you had decided to not protect me anymore from the Jew-hating rants by anonymous posters who don't have the guts to put their names to the bile they spew following the publication of my articles.

#runner

The French will probably claim credit for the stabbings and car rammings being experienced by Israeli civilians over the last five months.

French cities provided the training grounds for the following Muslim attacks in December 2014:
1. Nantes - when a van was driven into a crowd killing one and wounding 9 other shoppers
2. Dijon - where a man shouting “allahu akbar” (“God is greatest” in Arabic) injured 13 in a similar attack to that in Nantes
3. Tours - where an attacker - also yelling “allahu akbar” - was shot dead after stabbing three police officers

Seems France would be better off protecting its own citizens first by devoting its total attention and resources to meeting the threat its rapidly expanding Muslim population presents to other French citizens - especially after the Paris massacres in November last - before it tries to go center stage on the international scene by trying to arrange a talkfest to nowhere.

Hollande and Fabius fiddle while Paris burns.

Hi David

"If you wish to specifically address anything I wrote"

Thanks but I feel I am unworthy.

But you can always use this

http://gentleseas.blogspot.com.au/2016/02/how-much-can-submarine-cep-contenders.html

as a model.

Regards

Pete

#plantaganet

If you feel unworthy to comment on the content of my article why try to divert attention from what I write by raising matters that have no relevance?

Dear David,

<<why try to divert attention from what I write by raising matters that have no relevance?>>

Diverting the attention from what you write to what you really wanted to write is a Mitzvah because your whole articles are one big distraction.

No one is so naive as to believe that, in the example of this article, you write about France or care about France and its citizens. Whatever you write, whatever the topic it's supposed to be about, we can see transparently its one and only agenda: to make Israel hold onto the territories it conquered in 1967 and to support the Jewish settlers there.

We will continue to expose you for caring neither for the people of France nor for the people of Israel - only for the ideology of your Jewish sect.

Hi David

Addressing the distorted, tendentious content in your articles is too onerous for most. Hence considerate commenters contribute more material and exercise their Right to discuss other insights.

Just admit that you are a propagandist for Netanyahu and Likud, who may have lost it somewhere, and you'll get more respect from Jews and part Jews alike.

Even anti-Semites will have less to poke fun at and dislike.

Here is a very thought-provoking article, not captured by Netanyahu http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2016/02/24/idf-warns-cabinet-no-military-solution-to-palestinian-intifada/ that I humbly offer.

Pete

#Yuyutsu

I can only repeat for your edification yet again:

I will not respond to any further posts from you until you acknowledge that the killing of civilians by stabbing, car ramming or other targeted attacks is murder and that those who commit such heinous acts are murderers.

Go back to your shark, snake and crocodile exemplars and get their advice.

#plantaganet

You state:

"Addressing the distorted, tendentious content in your articles is too onerous for most."

You have effectively consigned the likes of #Geoff, #Rosty, and #Yuyutsu to the intellectual scrap heap.

But you surely do not put yourself in their category.

Come on - give it a go - and tell me why you disagree with the following conclusions in my article:

"France is being politically naive to believe the failed negotiations conducted over 23 years between Israel and the PLO can be revived.

An international conference aimed at jumpstarting negotiations to resolve sovereignty in Judea and Samaria between Israel and Jordan - not Israel and the PLO - would have made far more sense.

However the only winners from France's proposed conference will be the airlines, the 5 star hotels, 3 hat Michelin restaurants, vignerons and limousine car companies catering to the needs of the delegations flying in for a talkfest that will go nowhere.

Hopefully Islamic State will not spoil the politicians' party."

Why Jordan? it has nothing to do with this.

What is needed for peace in the Middle East, is an agreement whereby the other superpowers allow Chinese forces to enter the West Bank, take the Palestinians away to China and bring in 5 million Chinese settlers in their place, making the West Bank (including East-Jerusalem) an official province of China.

The Chinese are nice people: they don't launch rockets (except when celebrating the Chinese new year or launching satellites), they don't stab people in the streets, they don't ram them with cars, they don't dig tunnels - they will be Israel's and Jordan's best neighbours ever and there will be happiness and prosperity throughout the region.

While there will be no more wars or terrorism and everyone else will be happy (well maybe not the Palestinians, but they deserve it and who counts them anyway), only Singer will still be kicking and screaming - for he doesn't care for the welfare of Israel or Jordan, only for the expansionist ideology of his Jewish sect.