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France signals surrender to PLO and Muslim pressure : Comments

By David Singer, published 19/2/2016

If this attempt to achieve a negotiated solution reaches a dead end, we will take responsibility and recognize the Palestinian state...

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G'day David

I see you have evoked my good name "plantagenet". Here is an alternate view to the customary Netanyahu-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likud line.

For that reason I (1/8th Jewish amongst other connections) present a more critical view of Netanyahu and how he leads Israel on the wrong path http://www.algemeiner.com/2016/02/05/netanyahus-abuse-of-israeli-national-security/ :

"Netanyahu’s Abuse of Israeli National Security
FEBRUARY 5, 2016 5:00 AM

Israel’s historical experiences, coupled with decades of violent confrontations with Arab states and the Palestinians, have created a major psychological barrier embedded in the psyche of every Israeli, placing Israel’s legitimate national security concerns at the center of its domestic and foreign policy. That said, no military might or even the expropriation of the entire West Bank will guarantee Israel’s security, short of a sustainable Israeli-Palestinian peace.

The Netanyahu government’s linking of national security to the so-called “defensive borders” is disingenuous and misleading, designed to provide a cover for his and his cabinet’s continued intoxication with seizing Palestinian territories.

In the age of rockets and precision missile technology, territorial depth can no longer guarantee Israel’s security, as Hamas has been able to rain thousands of rockets on Israel, some of which have reached Jerusalem and Tel Aviv.

The current “knife Intifada” also reveals the absurdity of the argument that borders, any border, can provide air-tight security. It is the occupation and the continuing expansion of the settlements that are behind these violent outbursts, and as long as the occupation persists, Israel will not know a day of rest.

In December 2012, Gabi Ashkenazi, the former chief of staff of the Israeli army, reconfirmed the sentiments of many of his colleagues when he said: “Israel must recognize the limits of its power and cooperate with forces that support Israeli interests.”

This was aptly expressed by another top Israeli military commander, Shaul Arieli, who said, “We believe that peace will provide better security than anything else.” Otherwise, all security measures, however coercive, elaborate, and sophisticated, cannot guarantee Israel’s national security."

More later.

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 23 February 2016 1:22:44 PM
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Re ABOVE "Netanyahu’s Abuse of Israeli National Security"

You'll see the author Dr Alon Ben-Meir, has published the essay above (some differing titles) in many publications around the world. US, Australia-OLO, Pakistan, Palestine, Israel, Turkey, UN, EU-Germany etc

see if this string works https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Israel%E2%80%99s+historical+experiences%2C+coupled+with+decades+of+violent+confrontations

Dr Alon Ben-Meir's essay deserves more discussion not just on Palestine vs Israel but regarding Netanyahu's gross leadership failures.

In the Israeli democracy the Netanyahu Line has many critics in the highest circles of national security.
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 23 February 2016 1:50:21 PM
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We have seen what Hamas and other terrorist do to the land they already live in. They teach their young boys and girls how to stab Jews, lie to the gullible/deceitful media and then claim the victim status. Give these terrorist more land and they will enslave and brainwash even more kids. The Palestinian state is an invention of the leftist Jew hating brigade. How thick can the French be. You would think after their hopelessly failed leftist immigration policy they would eat a little humble pie. Instead they pursue their anti semitic rhetoric.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 23 February 2016 2:12:52 PM
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#Yuyutsu

Since you are incapable of understanding and acknowledging that:
1. stabbing civilians in the back whilst shopping in supermarkets and 2. running over other civilians at bus stops
is murder and that their attackers are murderers - there is no possibility of having any rational discussion with you.

Go back to your exemplars - snakes,sharks and crocodiles.

Hopefully they will welcome you with open mouths.
Posted by david singer, Wednesday, 24 February 2016 4:14:33 PM
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#plantaganet

Not really interested in your further attempt to deflect attention from the content of my article by referring me to only half the content of another article which has nothing to do with the French attempt to call an international conference.

Big revelation - Netanyahu does not enjoy universal support in Israel. Neither does Obama in US, Cameron in UK or Turnbull in Oz.
Abbas and Haniyeh enjoy universal support because they keep their people in a perpetual state of silence by fear, intimidation and absence of elections. Target them if you really want to see the Jewish-Arab conflict resolved.

If you wish to specifically address anything I wrote - please feel free to do so - although I thought you had decided to not protect me anymore from the Jew-hating rants by anonymous posters who don't have the guts to put their names to the bile they spew following the publication of my articles.

#runner

The French will probably claim credit for the stabbings and car rammings being experienced by Israeli civilians over the last five months.

French cities provided the training grounds for the following Muslim attacks in December 2014:
1. Nantes - when a van was driven into a crowd killing one and wounding 9 other shoppers
2. Dijon - where a man shouting “allahu akbar” (“God is greatest” in Arabic) injured 13 in a similar attack to that in Nantes
3. Tours - where an attacker - also yelling “allahu akbar” - was shot dead after stabbing three police officers

Seems France would be better off protecting its own citizens first by devoting its total attention and resources to meeting the threat its rapidly expanding Muslim population presents to other French citizens - especially after the Paris massacres in November last - before it tries to go center stage on the international scene by trying to arrange a talkfest to nowhere.

Hollande and Fabius fiddle while Paris burns.
Posted by david singer, Wednesday, 24 February 2016 4:16:48 PM
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Hi David

"If you wish to specifically address anything I wrote"

Thanks but I feel I am unworthy.

But you can always use this

http://gentleseas.blogspot.com.au/2016/02/how-much-can-submarine-cep-contenders.html

as a model.

Regards

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 24 February 2016 5:45:33 PM
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