H Sgteele,

I'm grying to follow your logic here:

"Australian aircraft are even now dropping bombs from altitudes that keep them safe from retaliation. Is it any wonder the group on the receiving end would seek other means to do our citizens harm?"

Are you suggesting that ISIS should not be confronted ? And worse still, [or better still, from a fascist standpoint] are you suggesting that 'the group on the receiving end', i.e. ISIS and its supporters in the Muslim community, is thereby entitled to kill in Australia and elsewhere, at random ?

You may need to clarify that statement :) We wouldn't want to get the idea that 'leftists' totally support ISIS, would we ? The 'left' supporting the extreme-right ? Surely unimaginable. Although it wouldn't be the first time. Somebody should start to compile a Comprehensive Encyclopedia of Useful Idiots. Ten volumes to begin with.

Joe

SteeleRedux,

I think that much of what you wrote was pure bollocks eg " Israel was born via the terrorist bomb..."; "couple of hundred thousand....slaughter[ed] " etc.

But its also beside the point. What happens in other parts of the planet shouldn't affect civil relationships in Aust. It absolutely doesn't licence or sanction retaliation by some disaffect group in Aust against innocent Australians for perceived slights against their erstwhile brethren in other parts of the world.

When we accept or give sanctuary to people claiming to be fleeing problems in their own country, we have a right to expect that they leave those problems behind and accept the mores of their saviour nation. IF they want to continue to fight the fights of their homeland, let them stay in or return to their homeland. Not carry the battle into our streets and cafes.

The Victorian premier said ..."All of us...have to accept that violent extremism is part of a contemporary Australia."

Well I don't want it to be part of contemporary (or future) Oz.I want those who perpetrate violence extremism in OZ to be confronted and defeated. If that's Buddhists or Callithumpians or whatever then I want them defeated and removed from our society. At the moment it means Islamists. They have no place in out society.

I want them confronted. I want to stop taking more of them. I want their leaders forced through societal pressure to confront the extremism and radicalisation. I want their parents to actively educate the potentially radicalised youth that this has no place in their new homeland. I want those who want tofight for Allah to be allowed, even encouraged, to do in Syria and Iraq and then barred from returning to Oz once they've had their fill of Yazidi sex slaves.

We made a terrible terrible mistake when we thought we could take people from an alien and supremacist culture and turn them into good civil law-abiding members of the Aust society. Japan doesn't have a muslim problem because they didn't make that mistake. We have to be ruthless in correcting our error.

The solution to Europes problems with
the Islamists and the middle East is
to make Putin and Russia an Allie,

They after all are European too,and they have no liking
for the muslims given their problems in Chechnya.

Also let Putin determine strategy, he understands
the workings and historical tribal alliances in
that part of the world going back to the time of the ottoman
empire and the bloody massacres committed by muslims against
Europeans AND Europeans against muslims, much better than
commanders in the West.

I suspect that it is not monetary incentive that is causing Russia
to support Assad, it is tribal allegiances going back centuries.
In fact Assad and those around him, look a lot more Serbian or
part European to me than other Arab tribes in the region.

Let Putin control the whole war against Isis and the troublemaking
muslim nations, it will be won and over before Christmas.

Lock all the civil libertarians and hippy-do-good nutters up for a
while to shut them up, so the job can be done the only way that a war can be fought and one.
We have allowed these people and the academics to teach hippy doctrine & ideaology as facts in Western schools, and this is making us allow our European nations to be torn down and pulled apart by islamists and people who use this ideaology against us.

They understand the physcology of the West, after all a lot of the Islamist leaders have been educated by and lived in Western countries, so now they are a more dangerous enemy than they would have been if we hadn't welcomed them with open arms because of the indoctrination of our people
by the the green,hippy, love and peace ideaology,that championed multiculturalism without controls.

The only ones gaining from those ideas are our enemies.

Dear Loudmouth,

Just because Bazz flounces on in, does a little poop in the corner, then flounces back out, doesn't mean you have to adopt the same tone.

Why did you even ask; “Are you suggesting that ISIS should not be confronted ?”

This is what I wrote earlier;

“Should Australia be assisting those impacted by ISIS? Of course, but only as part of a multilateral force. Australians should be informed the price for involvement will be an increased likelihood of an attack on Australians here and abroad. I for one think it is worth the risk but I would like it to be something we decide as a nation.”

I know you read it so why the fun and games?

The US, with Australia has been engaged in a strategy of 'funnelling'. Their intent has not been to terminally incapacitate ISIS but to make sure they engage Assad's forces and not the CIA backed rebel groups. It suited the US avowed aim of bringing down the Assad regime but it left ISIS far stronger than it should have been. This is why Russia has managed in such a short space of time to inflict more damage on ISIS that the US lead group of nations.

A multi national force may well have stopped the US geopoliticing for its own ends which is why I called for Australia to be part of just that sort of group. Combating ISIS needs the focus and coordination of as many nations as possible. We are not getting that by a long shot.

Dear mhaze,

You might need to explain exactly what you think is bollocks. If you read about the forming of the state of Israel you will find plenty of terrorism and wide spread ethnic cleansing occurring. Are you saying neither of these things happened? Or is it you doubt the numbers of dead in the Iraqi war, a total mind you that is still being added to?

You wrote;

“Japan doesn't have a Muslim problem.”

Well neither do we. We do have a problem with Islamic Extremism and of the far reaching tentacles of the cult of ISIS.

Most pertinently though Japan isn't dropping bombs on the heads of ISIS. We are.

In WW2 we were dropping bombs on Italians and Germans and we interned about 20% of the nationals of these countries in our own camps.
http://naa.gov.au/collection/snapshots/internment-camps/index.aspx#section2

Is there a case for expelling non-residents who preach hate in this country? Of course. Is there a case for penalising residents who preach hate and incite violence here as well. Most certainly.

Yet I when called for Monis to be sanctioned for sending hate mail to our soldiers Bazz leapt to his defence basically saying his right to do so was inviolate. Unlike some you will not find me backing away from toughening laws around incitement in this country, especially the religious variety.

Cherful,

Perhaps you're having a lend of us :)

Where to start ?

1. This is not a struggle against Islam per se, but a very complex struggle against both dictatorship AND Islamist fascism: many people are caught up in the middle, and it's those people who the Russians will help to slaughter first.

2. The Russians' intention is to support Assad, and thereby their bases. They will 'manage' ISIS and incite it against the Kurds, one they have destroyed any 'moderate' forces. Putin is in no hurry to tackle ISIS.

3. There are many Muslim republics in what is loosely called 'Russia', especially in the Caucasus, taking up perhaps a quarter of its 'European' area. And then there are many independent central Asian republics.

That's enough for now :)

Joe