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Islamic lifelines can prevent Islamic State dead lines : Comments

By David Singer, published 15/10/2015

Our faith teaches to withhold our hands from the breaking the branch of a tree, let alone taking the life of a human being, which equates to taking the life of humanity...

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David G.

I suppose you are talking about the violence started by the Muslims. And, no: I do not bob up and down wearing a funny hat, nor am I Jewish; I just have more sympathy for the Jews and Israelis than I do for Palestinians. It's impossible to have "less than zero" sympathy, but, yes, I do certainly have zero sympathy for Palestinians. As for the Israelis "stealing" their country from them, well that's just another demonstration of your ignorance. Palestinians and Palestine is a farce concocted by Syria to get rid of people who didn't know who they were, what they were called, and where they were supposed to be living. Blaming Israel for merely protecting itself from these terrorists is just more BS from the Left to cover their anti-Semitism. It's the same BS that Hitler and the rest of your Nazi mates made up to cover their atrocities.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 15 October 2015 4:10:28 PM
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Dear Loudmouth,

“By seeking to eliminate a part of the Bosnian Muslims, the Bosnian Serb forces committed genocide. They targeted for extinction the 40,000 Bosnian Muslims living in Srebrenica, a group which was emblematic of the Bosnian Muslims in general. They stripped all the male Muslim prisoners, military and civilian, elderly and young, of their personal belongings and identification, and deliberately and methodically killed them solely on the basis of their identity.”
Theodor Meron

What would you have me say about ISIS? It is quite obvious what they are, a cult to whom predominately Sunnis in the region have sided with because they have very few other options.

Are they worse than the Assad regime? Pound for pound undoubtedly yes but Assad has maimed, massacred, tortured, and gassed his way through at least 5 times as many victims.

Should Australia be assisting those impacted by ISIS? Of course, but only as part of a multilateral force.

Australians should be informed the price for involvement will be an increased likelihood of an attack on Australians here and abroad. I for one think it is worth the risk but I would like it to be something we decide as a nation.

The Palestinians were prepared to recognise the state of Israel back in the Arafat days. The Israelis went away returning with a new demand, that the Palestinians recognise Israel as a “Jewish” state. Impossible when Israel is 20% Muslim. The Israelis are determined not to recognise or permit a Palestinian state.

With the Kurds it really does depend on which side of the Turkish border you reside. The PKK has been responsible for planting bombs on buses, suicide bombings and other terrorist activities. But if a PKK member was to slip back over the border into Iraq and point his weapon at an ISIS fighter he is alright in your eyes.

This is the same world view that allows you to ignore the issue of Saudi Arabia. 'They are on our side so they are okay!'. Meanwhile they heavily fund extremism and terrorism around the world without sanction.

It stinks.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 15 October 2015 4:40:13 PM
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I saw a video yesterday supposedly of a Palestinian drive up onto the footpath and run down two Jews. He jumped out the car with a butcher's knife and started crazily hacking into a third. Two armed bystanders arrived on the scene shortly after, and the perpetrator was shot several times. As he crawled away dying, one of the armed bystanders put another one in him to finish him off.

Then I saw a video of a Palestinian who was detained by the by several IDF soldiers sitting on a roadside kerb. The Palestinian jumps up, produces a knife from the back of his jeans and plunges it deep into the neck of one of the soldiers interrogating him.

But then I saw a video of a Palestinian woman in a bustop surrounded by 4 or 5 IDF soldiers with their guns aimed at her. She clearly had her hands in the air for some time and the IDF just shot her dead in cold blood anyway.

And we cant forget the story a few weeks back where a Jew threw a molotov cocktail into a Palestinians home burning a sleeping child alive.

I support freedom and liberty for all people, so I frown upon all of these instances.

The Palestinians are going on a bit of a revolt lately and the authors video helps put these events into perspective a little, but its fair to suggest that Israel has also helped provoke it.

http://www.opendemocracy.net/arab-awakening/sam-bahour/palestinians-must-not-fall-into-this-trap-again

http://www.timesofisrael.com/disguised-as-stone-throwers-undercover-israeli-forces-arrest-palestinians/
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 16 October 2015 7:16:06 AM
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Same old, same old. Start talking about Islam and the danger it holds for western civilisation and the usual suspects start shouting that those people over there are just as bad. It doesn't much matter who is tarred - Jews, US, Britain, Christian. Just so long as the issue (ie Islam) is avoided.

Well, when a Jew or a Christian or a Buddhist or a Scientologist or a Zoroastrian or whatever commits an act of terrorism in Oz then I'll start to worry about that group. But at the moment the only group in Oz killing innocents in the name of their God is the Islamists and these are the people we have to confront.

We keep getting told their's is a religion of peace, the violence has nothing to do with Islam. Yet Islam's holiest books sanction and encourage violence against the infidel. Islam's founder was a murderous thug and yet is considered to be exemplary.

Islam is the problem and bringing more of its followers here is the very opposite of the solution.

re Armchair Critic wrote....

"But then I saw a video of a Palestinian woman in a bustop surrounded by 4 or 5 IDF soldiers with their guns aimed at her. She clearly had her hands in the air for some time and the IDF just shot her dead in cold blood anyway."

The women had her hands in the air brandishing a knife, not surrendering. The soldiers were telling her to drop it. She refused. They shot her in her lower extremities. She was moderately wounded and evacuated to hospital for treatment. NOT KILLED. Facts matter, at least to some.
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 16 October 2015 9:09:00 AM
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Facts do matter.

I guess there's conflicting stories in the media on this issue as the article I read claimed she was unarmed, and also the title of the youtube video says she was killed.

http://www.imemc.org/article/73322

I'm not sure this is the same article I read yesterday as there was also another video of the incident from a different angle.
In either case the quality of the video was poor or there were IDF personnel in the way.

I've looked and seen there are other versions of this story.
I didn't intentionally mislead anyone but I must say their were at least 8 armed men there.

They didn't necessarily have to shoot her.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 16 October 2015 12:24:23 PM
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As with (almost) all Muslims, Sheikh Charkawi lies about what the Quran says. He desperately wants to find verses that urge peace, but in the lack thereof, he makes them up.

Mr Charkawi, The verse you tried to quote is for the Jews, not Muslims. I have never seen a Muslim quote the whole verse because "taking the life of a human being" is condemned for the Children of Israel, not Muslims. In fact, in the next verse, Muslims are told to not just kill but to torture those who oppose Islam. Note also that Muslims are put on earth by Allah "to kill and be killed"(9:111).

As to hurting a tree, it is not in the Quran. It does say that Mohammed either cut or left standing trees to disgrace the infidels. According to the hadith, this verse was given because Mohammed's followers were shocked by his brutal tactics of total warfare, because up to then burning fields and trees was taboo in Arabia.

This is why the current invasion of the West by Muslims will end badly. They come and bring Mohammad ("I am made victorious with terror") and Allah ("I will cast terror...") in their hearts. They will not integrate and they will not live in peace with us. Our leaders are fools and so are we, obviously. Bad times are coming. Blood will flow.
Posted by kactuz, Friday, 16 October 2015 9:43:14 PM
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