A world wide problem created by the regressives and now are dumb enough to realise their are no solutions. Look anywhere that Islam has any population base in Western nations and you have death and apologist. You have sensible men like Mike Baird having to parrot ' Islam is a religion of peace' knowing true well that history shows the exact opposite. You can understand Turn bull parroting such nonsense because it fits with his fairytale ideology. Pig headed politicians were warned decades ago. They are deceived enough to think that they can appease people who hate western culture. Look at all the help Israel has given to the Arabs. In return their kids are blown up in cafes. Fools like david g feed off propaganda calling evil good and good evil. The only way to minimise damage in Australia is to stop further Islamic immigration. Unfortunately that means some peaceful muslims miss coming here but the ideology needs to be kept to a minimum.

Hi kactuz,

You wrote "Mr Charkawi, The verse you tried to quote is for the Jews, not Muslims...."

I wonder if you could give us chapter:verse for this quote. I'd really like to see it in full context to understand the deception that the Muslim leaders engage in.

Hi mhaze,

Here are a few verses, some before and some after, the one that kactuz referred to - the Surah (No. V) is called 'The Table Spread', one of the more peaceful Surahs from Medina [this is the Pickthall transalation, 1953] - note the peace and sweetness and light in each verse:

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'29. Lo ! I would rather thou shouldst bear the punishment of the sin against me and thine own sin and become one of the owners of the Fire. That is the reward of evil-doers.

'30. But (the other's) mind compose on him the killing of his brother, so he slew him and became one of the losers.

'31. Then Allah sent a raven scratching up the ground, to show him how to hide his brother's naked corpse. He said: Woe unto me ! Am I not able to be as this raven and so hide my brother's naked corpse ? And he became repentant.

'32. For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, I shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah's sovereignty), but afterwards many of them became prodigals in the earth.

'33. The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom.

'34. Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.'

I hope you can make sense of it. It all sounds a bit too psychotic for me :)

Joe

David G said;
Currently, the IDF is carrying out a bit of genocide against the Palestinians whose land in the main they have stolen.

I suggest you try a bit of history before bashing the keyboard.
The Jews lived in that area thousands of years before the Arabs came
out of Arabia. After Islam was established in the 7th century they set
upon invading other parts of the peninsular. They killed all the Jews
in towns to the North of Medina & Mecca or converted them to Islam.
The area you call Palestine did not exist then, it was Israel/Judea.
In the early Middle Ages the Arabs invaded Israel.
This is what prompted the Crusades.
The moslems ultimately defeated the Christians & the Jews and ruled
there until the Ottomans took over.

The Koran has a clause that states that any land conquered by moslems
remains moslem land forever even if the moslems are driven out.

It is that the moslems use as an excuse to refer to the Jews as occupiers.
You really can't get away with saying black is white and expect everyone to believe you.

I once made the comment "Why should the Palestinians recognise Israels right to exist" and all the pro-Israel people jumped all over me like I was the reincarnation of Hitler.

I wasnt necessarily saying that Israel did not have the right to exist in their historical homeland, but moreso that they have gone about it the wrong way, right from the start.

And I also believe that if Israel really wants all the Palstinian land, without any remorse of how they have gone about it in the past, then they will have to murder every last Palestinian to get it.

I think Israel purposely stirs up trouble with the Palestinians in order to provoke them into acting like extremists, and then uses it as justification to attack them and take more land.

And ultimately I believe it is a mistake to fully recognise Israels right to exist without Israel proposing and stating its official borders first.

Now I know the pro-Israel side will come out screaming Anti-Semite or Hitlerite, but hear me out logically.

If Israel is not prepared to state its borders, then its fair to say it has more plans for land acquisition.
If this is the case then you can't realistically accept the notion that Israel genuinely wants peace.

Well I myself do not know what the Jews claim to be their homeland.
I think in historical times, eg 1000 BC there were other peoples in the
area. The people in what is now Iraq and Syria, Mesopotamia, were not
originally Arabs but perhaps of the same group as Turks & or Assyrians.
However the Arabs conquered them all and they became moslems.

Of course the Persians stirred the pot.
Anyway certainly Jews had a primary claim to the area we know as
Palestine.
They had that claim long before the Arabs came on the scene.
So who are the occupiers ?

Here is a bit of irony, many in this country who claim us ex-Europeans
are invaders call Jews occupiers, wheee !