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Turnbull's response to domestic violence ignores the evidence : Comments

By Brendan O'Reilly, published 6/10/2015

Turnbull was effectively toeing the line pushed by feminists that intimate partner violence is the result of society condoning aggressive behaviours perpetrated by men.

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Why do women want or need to marry, it is outdated by DV and no love. People say they get married because of love, is that really the case.

Maybe love overrules friendship, and one is not compatible to the other. Most women want to have kids, do all men want to have kids.
Women should go it alone, and not delve into marriage. It clearly has a problem. Police say two thirds of their shift is taken up with DV visits.

Men only want to shack up with a female for sexual purposes, and women know that is their prized attraction. If a female starts rationing sex she is in trouble and at risk of DV. It takes a very good friendship to live in a relationship without sex.

In Japan wives buy their husbands life sized silicon robot dolls to have their sex at will with. [ And China ]
I say sex or the lack of it is a gigantic cause of DV. No one seems to mention it here. If a man was being furnished with more sex than he can handle, would there be DV.

DV and road rage I say have links, why I do not know, but why go crazy on the road for someone else’s unruly driving skills. Violence comes to the surface.

The more women are empowered DV will feature more. Maybe men feel threatened as women were seen as the fairer sex, and now they have power that is fast equaling that of men. I do not believe women can be responsible for DV against a man.
Posted by doog, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 9:02:53 AM
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Bren

Emphasising violence against women simply recognises the fact that most DV is committed by men against women.

Interestingly, many arguments used to deny that DV is a male problem parallel those used to argue Islamist terrorism is unrelated to Islam. They use the same mix of half-truths, special pleading and unjustified sense of entitlement. Here are some similarities:

1. Most men/Muslims are not wife beaters/ terrorists.
“The overwhelming majority of men don't abuse women or children” - Jay

This is both true and important. It is as stupid and bigoted to say all men are potential wife-beaters as to say all Muslims are potential terrorists. But it is also true in Australia at present that most terrorists/DV perpetrators are Muslims/men.

2. Most victims of male/Islamist violence are men/Muslims not women/kafirs

Also true, but it does rather point to being male/Muslim as part of the problem. Nor does it diminish fact that women/kafirs are singled out for attack.

3. Women/kafirs also commit acts of violence/terrorism against men/Muslims

True again, but in our society it is more likely to be the other way round; and more likely to result in serious injury or death when it is.

4 Men/Muslims are victims, not perpetrators

“… some men must be saints. The amount of verbal abuse & verbal violence some of them put up with is really unbelievable” - Hasbeen.

5 we were provoked/they asked for it

“If a female starts rationing sex she is in trouble and at risk of DV” - doog

5 Its about being a social outlier (mentally ill/socially isolated/individually inadequate or deviant) not being male/Muslim

Important, and partly true. But not all terrorists/DV perpetrators are social outliers, and most social outliers are not terrorists/DV perpetrators. It’s a contributing factor, not a complete explanation.

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I also see Turnbull’s speech in this context. Yes, his claim that it’s all about respect was an oversimplification. But just as it’s very important that prominent Muslims denounce Islamist violence, its important that leading men denounce male domestic violence. Culture and self-perception are part of the problem, and this helps to counter it.
Posted by Rhian, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 12:01:25 PM
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When families crack nations fall! Do unto others as you would have them do unto you [unless of course you are always in the right and that scum of a bloke or bi-ch of a woman are always in the wrong]?!

Quick fixes are never the solution for anything if the underlying reasons are not addressed . . . but that usually takes more than 4 years of a parliamentary term and if I just want to get re-elected I will just pander to the most vocal among society and hope that I will gain some 'credo' and votes by adhering to this policy.

If you don't like it well go and see a taxidermist because us pollies are doing very well thank you very much . . .

Respect cannot be legislated or enforced by wielding "a big stck".

How about ALL perpetrators being court-ordered to complete 20 counselling sessions aimed at finding WHY they are like they are . . .is it bad role modelling, drugs, despair, child abuse, etc? Hang on that could be very expensive and pollies are not in the business of addressing 'root causes' any more than most perpetrators . . . . Over to you . . . .
Posted by ZhanPintu, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 4:57:33 PM
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//Emphasising violence against women simply recognises the fact that most DV is committed by men against women.//

Most suicide is committed by men. So clearly we shouldn't worry about women killing themselves, since it is less common than men killing themselves and therefore not really a problem. When you have something that appears at face value to be a problem for everyone, it's only really a problem for the gender who are most troubled by it.

Those women who tragically die by their own hand? Turns out it's not so tragic after all, because they were less likely to do it than men. Yeah, sure, their family and friends will argue otherwise. But they're wrong: women are so much less likely to kill themselves than men that it should be no cause for concern when one of them does.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 10:19:26 PM
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Hasbeen, Turnbull reminds me more and more of Kevin Rudd -- ongoing spin; ideologue talkfests; pusher of politically correct causes, e.g. AGW.
Posted by Raycom, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 10:21:49 PM
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NSW Domestic Violence Death Review Team ANNUAL REPORT 2012-2013

Of the 12 intimate partner homicides studied:
• 9 women were killed by their abusive male partners.
• 3 male domestic violence abusers were killed by their female intimate partners.

So far, so good. One in three – mathematically correct. However, according to the report …

• Females killed by their intimate partners were domestic violence victims and males killed by their intimate partners were domestic violence abusers.
• Almost all of the 29 men who were killed by their female intimate partner in a domestic violence context (90%) had been the domestic violence abuser in the relationship.
• There were NO cases where a woman was a domestic violence abuser who killed a male domestic violence victim.

The One-In-Three campaign is not interested in the gender power dynamics of intimate partner homicide – only how the statistics can be used to promote the premise that women are ‘one-third’ as violently predatory as men. Thus, all this nonsense about male violence against women is feminist bunkem.

Doog

‘If a female starts rationing sex she is in trouble and at risk of DV. It takes a very good friendship to live in a relationship without sex.’

Whoa!! At least you’re honest. On your backs, girls … if you wanna stay alive! Forgive my naivety, but being terrorised on a daily basis does little for the female libido.

And the last time I checked, consenting to sex in order to avoid violence or death constitutes rape.
Posted by Killarney, Thursday, 8 October 2015 3:59:00 AM
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