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Secular humanism: Christianity without Christ? : Comments

By Peter Sellick, published 13/8/2015

In our triumphal overthrow of religion, its superstition, its irrationality and general backwardness we have not understood that our society has been structured by this tradition to its overwhelming good.

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Sellick's message is unequivocal. We must believe in mumbojumbo. Secular humanists are condemned because they do not accept the mumbojumbo. They don't think belief in a humanoid god or any other kind of god is necessary. It really isn't necessary. People made sacrifices for each other before Christianity was invented. Christianity is not the foundation for that. Christianity did not invent love, kindness, caring, the Golden Rule. Christianity preserves the humanoid god of the ancients. Virgin birth, the scapegoat which takes on itself the sins of others, pie-in-the-sky-bye-and-bye are not new ideas. However, they are various forms of superstition. Secular humanism tries to embody the caring which is imbedded in many religions, not just Christianity, but tries to eliminate the superstitions which Sellick calls the foundation.
Posted by david f, Thursday, 13 August 2015 8:58:42 AM
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Freedom is not inherent in Christianity. The early protestant churches was just as dangerous to any non believer as the RC Church's Inquisition.

The religious down the ages have opposed every significant discovery about the universe, flaying the first person to place the sun at the centre of the orbiting planets and burning the second at the stake.
The next prominent one was lucky that he was already famous so that he was simply sentenced to permanent home detention.

Even to this day the religions and their followers oppose much medical research even though they willing avail themselves of the benefits of any successes.

I laughed out loud while I watched the creationist Ken Ham use a laptop and a large electronic screen to present his nonsense.

Secular humanists have sought enlightenment from the writings of those clearer thinkers who have gone before them and tend to use religious writings as guides as to what isn't likely to make sense, such as listening to the voice in a burning bush.
Posted by Foyle, Thursday, 13 August 2015 8:59:27 AM
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Why do Christianity think their religion was the creator of these ideas. The golden rule was old before Christianity was dreamed up. More importantly you can talk all you like about what you think Christians believe, I'll judge them on how they behave every time.

Science will eventually give us everything that religions promise but can't deliver, even the possibility of surviving a moral bodies. Where will religion be once we can effective cheat death.
Posted by Cobber the hound, Thursday, 13 August 2015 9:18:59 AM
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Indeed, goodness cannot make sense without a spiritual foundation.

However, spirituality does not necessarily need to express itself in intellectual concepts and/or cosmological or historical accounts (though they often help).

Many people are religious without even recognising it or giving it a name.
(OTOH, others who call themselves "religious", are not)
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 13 August 2015 9:25:38 AM
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Christians need to consider what the purpose of their labour is besides paying a mortgage or buying nice things. The pilgrims at Plymouth, while enjoying the wonders of private property rights, understood that work and church are inseparable; if modern Christians follow this approach it would likely increase the relevance of scripture in a Christians everyday life, and fill the void that humanism increasingly fills.
Posted by progressive pat, Thursday, 13 August 2015 10:04:04 AM
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It ain't necessarily so, the things you are liable to read in the bible, just ain't necessarily so?

A man fed a crowd of thousands with a basket of food, then proceeded to prove he was the literal personification of a living God by stilling a storm and walking on water, followed by healing the unhealable and raising the dead!

Why even today we have folks who believe there are fairies at the bottom of the Garden , others hear God taking to them?

It must be very disconcerting to hear voices coming out of thin air; but I dare say, even more disconcerting when you understand what they are saying?

History abounds with examples of the evil perpetuated in the name of God or religious belief; by the most evil men the world has ever known!

And the same mob are busy busy telling folk that what they really feel and know isn't what they really feel or know, just an evil abomination; adding immeasurably to the internal conflict of the brainwashed devotees.

How do I know this?

Because I was one of those brainwashed devotees, and only escaped by applying critical thinking to some of these myths.

Incidentally being able to think rationally and for myself, just doesn't turn me into a troll; and disagreeing with almost everything you hold to be true or rather unquestioned, doesn't make my post a rant!

The unquestioned life is just not worth living?

And just doing the right thing because it is the right thing is superior to compulsion!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Thursday, 13 August 2015 10:44:18 AM
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