Rogindon

Most of those statistics you gave are skewed by the fact that the overwhelming majority of trades are made up of men - the only exception being hairdressing. A lot of trades apprenticeships require TAFE course and do not need high school completion and none require university degrees.

Also, most of the 'bachelors degrees' that women hold are in nursing, teaching and social work - the training for which was upgraded from Nursing and Teachers Colleges in the 1970s. This skews the supposed 'escalation' of women at universities.

Degrees for higher paid professions - engineering, law, business, medicine and architecture - are still mostly dominated by males.

As for boys' supposed poor performance in schools, why should that be high on any feminist agenda? It's an issue for educators, politicians and other vested stakeholders to address.

You wouldn't condemn an environmentalist for not fighting for gay rights. You wouldn't condemn a socialist for not doing enough to save koalas.

But feminism, for some weird reason, is constantly condemned for not doing enough to make men's lives better. That's men's job - or are you so used to women looking after you that you can't do anything for yourselves?

There IS of course a so-called 'mens movement', but from what I've seen of it, the primary focus of ALL its energy is in spreading bigotry, disinformation and hatred of feminism as the cause of men's problems.

RObert, I don't have any references at hand on government payouts...it is just what I have stored in my mind over a number of years reading about these issues. But I have read papers like the one you provide a link to, so thanks for that. You'll never hear the sex discrimination commissioner mentioning those differences as she goes on with her constant equal pay for women whinge. It shows to me she doesn't have much integrity.

Yes the sex compensation case was indeed a classic.

Cheers

@Killarney,

"A father who threw his children off a bridge". Nup didn't hear about that one...read about the one who threw his daughter off a bridge in Victoria...besides I'm more interested in insightful statistics produced using unbiased methodologies. That is the antithesis to feminist methodologies.

Women are responsible for more instances of child abuse...not their biological fathers...women hold the record for the number of children killed by one person....currently stands at 8..."Notice the gender pattern by any chance?"

Re your post addressed to Rogindon. In it you say:

"Degrees for higher paid professions - engineering, law, business, medicine and architecture - are still mostly dominated by males."

Law...wrong! Business...wrong! Medicine...wrong!

"Out of bachelor graduates (under 25) in the field of law, 33.3 per cent were male and 66.7 per cent were female."

"Out of bachelor graduates (under 25) in the field of business studies, 43.3 per cent were male and 56.7 per cent were female."

"Out of bachelor graduates (under 25) in the field of medicine, 42.3 per cent were male and 57.7 per cent were female."

http://www.graduatecareers.com.au/

@Killarney,

"A father who threw his children off a bridge". Nup didn't hear about that one...read about the one who threw his daughter off a bridge in Victoria...besides I'm more interested in insightful statistics produced using unbiased methodologies.

Posted by Roscop, Friday, 3 April 2015 1:37:55 AM

If I recall correctly, there was also a mother who jumped off the bridge with her child not long after the above incident.

The Herald Sun has been running a law and order section and there was one on TV that also included Female murders.

Killarney conveniently quotes a condensed section of what has been running in the law and order section.

Killarney,

I'm not interested in this stupid gender war. Men do bad things. Women do bad things.

No one on my side of the debate would deny that both genders are capable of bad things, including abuse.

I don't know whether you are a religious person or not. But thought I would give this one a go being Good Friday. Do you think God would create one abusive gender and one non-abusive one?

Even if you are not religious, do you think it makes sense in science and natural selection that one abusive sex has evolved as such and one pure innocent non-abusive and (therefore superior) sex has evolved?

It's nonsense. Whether you are Christian or non-believer, men and women need one another not just for reproduction, but for everything in life - love, protection, mutual support, to rear children, to fight off enemies, to reinforce our mutual humanity. We're the one species. We need one another. Men are not the enemy. Neither are women.

I say both men and women are equally capable of evil. Can you honestly say that makes me sexist or a denier of human rights?

Likewise if you say that the evil in this world is only or even overwhelmingly committed by men and that women are by their nature not capable of abuse, can you honestly not call yourself sexist or a denier of human rights? I hesitate to use the word gender supremacist, but how else could you categorize such a position?

Roscop

‘I'm more interested in insightful statistics produced using unbiased methodologies.’

Really? And straight after this you went on to say that women hold the record for most number of children killed by one person. If that’s your idea of being statistically insightful and unbiased, it’s certainly not mine.

Ever heard of Dunblane, Sandy Hook, Columbine or West Nickel Mines Amish School, or that Norwegian guy who shot up about 80 people, most of them teenagers?

‘Women are responsible for more instances of child abuse’

When the disproportionate parenting time is taken into account (female 70% - male 30%, World Childcare Handbook) and the 80%+ of single parent homes headed by women, men commit a disproportionately higher percentage of emotional, sexual and physical abuse on children.

Women however do feature significantly higher in neglect statistics (about 90%). When lumped in with total abuse statistics, this creates a distorted average across all forms of abuse, which makes men look much less violent then they are and women much more violent.

As for the university stats – I was not correct re law and medicine, but my point still stands. Engineering, IT and science (especially chemistry, physics, maths and computer science) are now the highest paid degree professions and they are male dominated. No doubt this accounts for why male graduate starting salaries are almost 10% higher than for females, despite the fact that women outnumber men at university.