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Exercising our rights: women, violence and freedom : Comments

By Evelyn Tsitas, published 25/3/2015

When an act of terrorism occurs, the message from authorities after the dust has settled is loud and clear – do not change the way you live, do not give into fear. That way the terrorists will have won.

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What a storm in a tea cup.

All our lives are governed by rules to keep us safe, there are rules that apply to pedestrians, to road users. If you operate dangerous machinery there are safety rules to follow to prevent injury or death to your self or others.

Generally when safety rules are broken, it is when people get injured or killed.

There are a few activities that we are advised not to do by oneself, such as bush walking, scuba diving, rock fishing just to name a few.

It is not just women who get attack, the cowards punch generally seems to happen around night club spots. So in reality if someone wants to attack and hurt you, it could happen anywhere, at any time,(mostly night). It happens in crowded areas as well as lonely areas.

When compared to many other countries around the world, Australia is a very safe country.
Posted by Wolly B, Thursday, 2 April 2015 1:19:34 AM
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WollyB, you are right when you say:

"When compared to many other countries around the world, Australia is a very safe country."

Yes when you look at the stats say on per 100,000 population basis in the jurisdiction that I live in, its very low. 2 or less a year are murdered and its not always women who are the victims. That's why the propagandists in the domestic violence industry don't talk about the stats on the cases going through the courts as to the no of allegations substantiated, no of allegations unsubstantiated, the no's of applications rejected, the no of applications withdrawn, the no of cases where criminal charges were laid, and the relationship of the parties to each other. No, better to keep those stats away from the public. Those people would rather talk about the "spike" in the number of phone calls the DV crisis service received...that's right...nothing more meaning full than that besides spouting the ol "one in three women..." bullcrap, conflating whats happening in places like Walgett with that in cities. Have you ever seen an indigenous person in a DV ad other than as a victim?
Posted by Roscop, Thursday, 2 April 2015 2:11:58 AM
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@Suseonline,

"The difference between all those filthy jobs is that the mainly males doing all the jobs you mentioned get a truckload more pay for that filthy work than do the mainly women doing the jobs I mentioned.
Now, therein lies the difference...."

But that's not the only "difference". Here are some other differences:

-within relationships more of mens' income flows to the benefit of women than womens' income flows to the benefit of men.

-It can also be argued that women, because on average they live longer than men, over their lifetime women receive more in the way of reversionary superannuation pension benefits than men.

-over their lifetime women receive more from social security, the old age pension etc. which come from taxes...a greater proportion of which are paid by men.

-women also take more time off work and despite generally speaking men doing the more dangerous types work they claim more in the way of workers compensation. Do you remember the big rort for women that RSI used to be?

So Suseonline may I suggest that you get away from your very narrow way of thinking on these issues.
Posted by Roscop, Thursday, 2 April 2015 9:13:54 AM
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Killarny,

And another thing on feminism and equality. The original feminists had good - even great - ideas about emancipating half the world's population.

But C21 feminists care nothing about equality. The litmus test of the C21 feminist is the belief that there are 2 genders one of which is abusive and one is not. One test and one criteria to determine if someone is a true C21 feminist or not. This is more accurately described as gender supremacism.

If feminists truly cared about equality where is all your advocacy about the inequality between the genders in education? Where is one single feminist decrying the fact that far more girls than boys complete high school? Or the fact the women have already achieved the previous Labor Government's target that 40% of 25-34 year olds achieve bachelor degrees? Men of that age are sitting around 30 per cent or less and the target will never be reached unless something is done to help young men. Perhaps that's why the target has been dropped.
Posted by rogindon, Thursday, 2 April 2015 7:51:04 PM
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Roscop do you have references for the points you made about various government payouts?

I've gone hunting and found a couple of interesting documents. The first is about workers compensation for mental stress where there is a massive difference along gender lines http://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/sites/SWA/about/Publications/Documents/769/The-Incidence-Accepted-WC-Claims-Mental-Stress-Australia.pdf (mostly page 9 for the breakdown of categories)

Broader coverage for the year ending 30 June 2009 at https://www.srcc.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/57333/00524_SRCC_Compendium_v17.pdf which gives a greater breakdown of categories and covers a wider range of mechanism of incident - page 25 That one has as I read it males making significantly greater numbers of claims in all categories except mental stress and the largest group making claims seems to be "Licensed self-insurers, male"

The novelty item that popped up in my searching was this one http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-30/sex-compensation-high-court/5057348

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Thursday, 2 April 2015 8:45:26 PM
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Roscop

Roscop

As I didn’t know about the Albanvale woman, I did quick a Google and this was the first article that came up – the Herald Sun ‘Law and Order’ section.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/homicide-squad-probes-deaths-of-woman-and-child-in-albanvale/story-fni0fee2-1227286678125

What was most interesting about this article was not the article itself, but the right-hand column which showed all the other ‘Law and Order’ articles to link to. At the time I viewed it, this is the list of subject matter in the column’s articles link:

A pedophile priest
A violent polygamous ice trafficker (male)
Brutal death of a sex worker (female)
Another pedophile priest
A father who threw his children off a bridge
The (male) killer of Jill Meagher
The ‘Mornington Monster’ – a father who murdered his family with a spear gun
Search for a missing (female) teen
A (male) schoolboy killer
A (male) cop killer

Oh, and a list of the top ten best movie-restaurant massacres – 8 male perpetrators all using guns, 2 female perpetrators both using martial arts.

Notice the gender pattern by any chance?

And another thing … your long list of ‘facts’ to Suse about money flowing out of the work-calloused hands of men and into the coffers of greedy women kind of shoots you in your own anti-feminist tootsies.

One of the major goals of feminism is, and always has been, WOMEN’S FINANCIAL INDEPENDENCE.

Got that?

And if women had financial independence, all that money would NOT be supposedly flowing from men to women, would it now?

Perhaps you’d better stop worrying and learn to love feminism. It looks to be overtaking the dog as man’s best friend.
Posted by Killarney, Thursday, 2 April 2015 8:59:38 PM
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