Rhian,
How many Christian terrorist attacks has Europe seen in the last year?
What's the monthly death toll for Christian, Buddhist and Hindu military operations and Guerilla strikes?
Across the world Muslims take a life about every eight minutes:
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/these-crimes-have-everything-to-do-with-islam-20150111-12lxmn.html

Hitler was not a Christian, he admired Christian Socialism as a teenager but in adulthood was a fanatical socialist:

So total is the Left's cultural ascendancy that no one likes to mention the socialist roots of fascism
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100203076/so-total-is-the-lefts-cultural-ascendancy-that-we-dare-not-mention-the-socialist-roots-of-fascism/
'I am a Socialist,' Hitler told Otto Strasser in 1930, 'and a very different kind of Socialist from your rich friend, Count Reventlow'.

Adolf Hitler:
Speech to the Nazi Party in Munich
(February 24, 1941)
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/hitler02241941.html
"If the new movement had been or had intended to be nothing but a continuation of the old parties or an addition to existing parties, such an objection would indeed have been justified. There were certainly more than enough parties in those days. But, after all, our movement was something quite different from all the existing and incipient parties of the time. It was a movement that declared for the first time and from the very outset that it had no intention of representing the definite, clearly outlined interests of individual classes. It did not stand for town or farm. It did not represent Catholic or Protestant interests; nor did it represent individual sections of the country. This was a movement which was definitely centered upon the concept of the German people. It was not a class party, sworn to uphold the right or the left, attempting to divide the nation, but one which from its very beginning had no thought for anything but the German people as a whole."

Luciferase

Christians follow both the Old and New Testaments – as Matthew 5:17-20 puts it:

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfil them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished

Nor is the New Testament only full of peace and love:

“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.”

‘He said to them, “But now, the one who has a purse must take it, and likewise a bag. And the one who has no sword must sell his cloak and buy one.” ‘

Revelation describes a might battle between the forces of good and evil.

What you say of the Koran:

“the same Quran is followed by terrorists/IS and moderates, and supports violence by Muslims, nothing "corrupt" about it. Yes, there are nice bits in there too , but the naughty bits can't just be ignored.”

Can equally be said of the Bible

@Rhian,

<<Can equally be said of the Bible>>

No dear it aint so. I know you really want to believe.But it does not sync with reality. Jay of Melbourne drew that to your attention above --see here, i'll print it for you again:

<<Rhian,
How many Christian terrorist attacks has Europe seen in the last year?
What's the monthly death toll for Christian, Buddhist and Hindu military operations and Guerilla strikes?
Across the world Muslims take a life about every eight minutes:
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/these-crimes-have-everything-to-do-with-islam-20150111-12lxmn.html>>

Jay

There have been no Christian terrorist attacks recently that I am aware of. That’s my point. Christian scriptures can be twisted and cherry-picked to appear to support violence, but it would be wrong to say that they inevitably make Christians violent, or that they Christians are intrinsically violent because of their scriptures. Same with Muslims and the Koran.

I’m not especially surprised at the socialist roots of fascism – both are authoritarian collectivist ideologies with a confrontational, dualistic bent. In socialism, the enemy is defined by class and in fascism by race, but there is philosophical kinship.

To Rhian.

Muslims follow the teachings of Muhammad, and Christians follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ's most notable quotes are...

"Blessed are the peacemakers."
"Love thine enemies."
"If a man strikes thee, turn the other cheek"
"Let he who is without sin throw the first stone."
"When in Rome, do as the Romans do."

How do you "twist" those meanings to claim they support violence?

Mohammad's most notable quotes are...

"Fight the unbelievers who are near to you, lay ambushes for them, strike terror into their hearts."
"Slay the idolaters wherever you find them."
"Do not take Christians or Jews for your friends, would you give Allah proof against yourself?"
"And fight them until there is no more disbelief, but belief in Allah alone."
Those that insult the prophet, kill him."

How do you twist those meanings to say that they are all about peace, love and mung beans?

Please fell free to submit any Bible quotes where God or Jesus Christ instructs Christians to kill non Christians to advance the Christian religion.

Hi Rhian,

Perhaps you're right - current Islamism is roughly on a par with early Christianity when it comes to peace and love. Only two thousand years behind the times :) Or three thousand for those who want to go back to Joshua or Saul. Backward and brutal then; fascist, backward and brutal now.

Yes, there is obviously a huge problem: both 'moderate' and terrorist Muslims can cite the Koran for their purposes. And if the Koran can not be questioned, as the literal word of Allah (except for the bits which obviously post-date Muhammad's launching of wars from Medina), then 'moderate' Muslims has an enormous task in front of them. Of course, in much earlier times, devout Christians also believed that every word of the Bible was divinely inspired, true, never to be questioned, and remnants still do.

But most Christians got over that. The Enlightenment, in spite of the burnings and torturings, prevailed. It took hundreds of years to overcome the idiocies of religion then, but I hope that any 'moderate' Muslims don't have to take so long.

At the rate that IS and its affiliate Boko Haram, etc., are killing people, it may take millions of violent deaths in the mean-time.

Yes, it's primarily an internal ideological struggle within Islam, but most certainly any progressive Muslims or 'moderate' Muslims need support from outside, particularly women, particularly educate women. This is what makes Malala Yusufzai such an amazing example of what just one person can do, such an inspiring person. We need millions of Malalas.

Thank you to all the posters here with their thoughtful comments, you give some of us hope and direction.

Joe