Jardine,

What is the relevance of my personal opinion? Am I a Pope?

Who gives you the right of being personal here and calling for my personal explanations?

Discussion is on issues and facts. One has to support one's point of view with evidence..that is honest intellectual discussion.

Being personal, passing judgements and using filthy language and at the same time claiming high moral ground of intellectual honesty, is beyond my comprehension.

I wish we were having this discussion in person and you showing the guts of abusing me on my face!
Now hidden behind false names and posting abuses, must be appearing chivalrous, honorable and civilized to you, according to your standards of civilization.

Dear Jardine, I can not stoop to that level....I will not abuse you back.

Be happy in your illusion of righteousness and wisdom supreme. But please do not forget every one has to pay for the wrongs one does. You only harm yourself by falsehood and by stooping to level that you have.

I still do not hate you...but pity you and wish you well.

Good luck.

TRUTH Versus FALSEHOOD

Humans have been blessed with the senses to discern right from the wrong. The sensors within us confirm the right path that we take, by rewarding us with the peace and calm. The alarms are also sounded, if wrong path is chosen. The alarm goes on in the form of apprehension and uneasiness. Persistence on the wrong path takes the form of anxiety, depression or outright madness.

We all make choices; life is about making choices. Those, who are fortunate to make the right choices are rewarded with serenity and tranquillity of mind. That is a reward in itself, hereafter notwithstanding.

The state of mind of Jardine, who has no facts to support his/ her stand and has yet not marshaled the strength to see and accept the truth, gives a glimpse of the fate of wrongdoers. They would be perpetually unhappy for having made the wrong choices and shall remain bitter and hateful, cursing every one, till they develop the courage to embrace the truth and repent their falsehood.

I quote this illustration to re enforce the point that we should strive to seek the truth and aim to stand calmly and firmly on it. So that we don't repent having made the wrong choices.
And account for our actions, we'll have to. Epidemic of suicides in the gulf war veterans and suicide being the biggest cause of death in IDF , should be eye openers.

We, as human beings, have theses sensors and alarms in us. We should use them and should trust our own judgement; originating from the deep goodness that we all have been blessed with.

Accepting blindly the likes of Murdoch-Media and hate sites, is sure to end up in a state, like Jardine is right now in.......may we all be saved from it.

May we all be guided to the truth and may we have the ability to recognize and embrace it. May we not become the tools of hate- peddlers. May we be counted among those who promote well being of humanity, amen.

It will soon be page 100 and still you two will not answer the questions,

Is it all right to kill homosexuals and serial fornicators?

Reading the Koran it seems that it is permissible, even encouraged, so do you as Muslims support the Koran in this or not?

Is the interest of saving space a simple 'Yes' or 'No' will suffice.

@JKJ

The small mind is back after 5 days (his post 7 Feb), with no facts and no reasoning BUT with the SAME foul language, he has consistently spouted.

He has repeated for the second time his version of my statements within quotes that you find nowhere in my posts.

He can lie on something so obvious and so EASILY VERIFIABLE. Imagine what he can do to the historic facts. And this is what he has been doing so far.

Apparently, lies don’t bother him.
A serious question: Does he have a conscience?

He will, most likely, repeat his lies and the foul language in his next post(s), as well, because this is all he has to contribute to a rational exchange of facts and ideas.

He is obviously bent upon making a fool of himself – in writing and in permanent record. This is his choice and NOBODY can stop him!!

HIGHT OF RIDICULOUSNESS OF IS MISE & JARDINE,

Is Mise, "still you two will not answer the questions,
Is it all right to kill homosexuals and serial fornicators?"

This is after I post four-posts-long-answer....as comprehensive as I possibly could make and I get this response which means, Is Mise is incapable of comprehending any thing that gets more complicated than " yes or no".
Same is the case with his/her brother/sister Jardine, he/she too insists on "yes or no" answers.

Jardine, blames me for not engaging with him/her at personal level.

Why should I engage with him/ her at personal level? Do we know each other?

Is this the forum for private gossip? I think we discuss issues and support our respective viewpoints with evidence and facts.

What is the weight of personal opinion? Where other side displays lack of good faith?

Jardine hallucinates. He/ she wrote on 25 January " McAdam..Why are you wasting your time in here apologising for the Muslim religion?" I challenged her the same day to show where, had I apologized for Islam........never got an answer.
I challenged her point blank, "Are you on drugs Jardine"? .........No answer.
He/ she may or may not be on drugs but, hallucinates all right. He/she attributed to NC, things he refuted and Jardine failed to provide proof of his/her claim that NC had made the alleged statement.

He/she hallucinates again to claim "We have already established the irrelevance of other religions."
Have we? When? Where?
If we did so, there must be evidence available on this thread; where is it?
Who is "we" and when and where this "we" established the irrelevance of other religions? Unless "we" means Jardine and there can be no other view point. This one eyed view is illustrated by the outright refusal to see other's view and insisting on one view; his/her view. So much so that he/she dictates wonky replies that others should furnish for his/her wonky questions.

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HIGHT OF RIDICULOUSNESS OF IS MISE & JARDINE

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Now how can other religions be irrelevant to the discussion on Islam?
What is the basis of this discussion on Islam, if the Forum agrees that the entire community can not be put on the spot for the wrong doing of odd individuals?
And if one still insists on discussion on Islam, then one must clarify, from what stand point? If it is from the stand point of an atheist, then the questions should be addressed to Religion and not to Islam only. If the question is being asked by the believer in Judaism, Christianity or any other religion, then one must present the comparison of his/her religion with Islam and first establish Islam's stand on the point under discussion being relatively more objectionable and then raise the question. Just discussing in the air, without any frame of reference and raising questions without any reasonable basis is meaningless.
So the irrelevance of other religions does not get established , just because Jardine so hallucinates. It remains very much relevant.

This person hiding behind the name of Jardine has repeatedly made a fool of himself/ herself. He/she picked up an issue with Pakistan rising up as a nation, against terrorism and exposed his/her lack of in depth knowledge of the subject. The posts are recorded on this thread.

I do not know the person, but the impression I form, based on the quality of content of the posts, is that this is a half witted person who is seldom sober while sitting in front of the key board.
Cops administer a field test of Walk and Turn (WAT) to establish DUI. This person should draw a line and should start using the key board only if he/she can walk fifteen paces heel- to-toe, straight on that line. Otherwise he/ she will continue to expose her lack of sense....... further.

Good luck Jardine. Good luck Is Mise

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