Zbigniew Brezezinski in his book 'The Grand Chessboard' in the late 1990's said, "What we need is a widely perceived direct external threat." Others backed this saying they needed a new Pearl harbour. The new Pearl Harbour was 911 and terrorism not communism was the new threat that could not be well defined so we the people would eventually become the terrorists and subjugated by our own Govts.

On the 25/9/14 the CEC got intelligence that a terrorist attack would soon happen on Australian soil. Was Monis another false flag event or was he just another nutter with no connections to any organised terrorist groups ? ISIS is a Saudi, Mossad CIA creation. That is well known. Look for anomalies in this Monis siege.The first one is that they knew he was dangerous and in 2000 Iran sought his extradition for crimes there.

One of the pities of an incident such as has just happened in Martin Place is that it gives an excuse for all the ignorant bigots to pour forth their bile about the Islamic religion, demanding, inter alia, that they renounce Islam if they are to be considered true Aussies. a simple question? Would they make the same demand of Christians to renounce the Old Testament? That set of documents contains a large number of exhortations involving the violent death of unbelievers, as well as other social prescriptions that are abhorrent to a true liberal democracy.

It is in any case absurd to condemn a religion of 1.5 billion adherents on the basis of the actions of a tiny fraction of that number. Does one condemn Christianity because a true believer like George Bush the Lesser is a major war criminal responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis? Of course not, so lets hear less of bigoted and ignorant rants against Islam.

As was pointed out in an earlier post, there are a lot of unanswered questions about the Martin Place perpetrator, and those of a suspicious mind would have received some confirmation from this morning's SMH which reports Abbott as already saying that we may not be told the whole story because of "national security considerations". That is usually a euphemism for avoiding embarrassment. In that case the embarrassment is likely to be the role Monis played as, at best, a useful idiot on behalf of the national security state. It might help explain the otherwise inexplicable nature of his career, including being protected from extradition; remaining on bail unopposed by the DPP; and making regular statements that just happened to coincide with the need to condemn the enemy du jour.

James,

The Old Testament has no bearing on Christianity except those parts, such as the Commandments, specifically mentioned by Christ, who said "I bring you a New Testament...."

Islam is incompatible with democracy.

James O'neil correct, I do not think no matter how much you try that one lunatic in Sydney by killing two people is no different to another lunatic in the USA indirectly killing thousands of people, the world will always be filled up with lunatics believing in supernatural beings or what ever, this will not be the first nor the last,, the next lunatic decision will be to declare war on supposed enemies, where we possibly will all be exterminated by a bunch of lunatics, perhaps this may be a good thing to happen, lunatics will disappear with the rest of us thank goodness.

Yes...you can tell there's a simmering underground Islamic extremist sentiment in Australia by the way other Australian Muslims approach Monis.

Take this for instance:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2879222/Muslim-funeral-directors-say-not-accept-body-Siege-gunman-Man-Haron-Monis.html

"Sydney's head Islamic funeral director has said that no Muslim funeral home will accept the body of Siege gunman Man Haron Monis, suggesting instead that authorities dump his body at sea.

The body of Monis remains in the morgue, and has yet to be claimed. It is set to be be released before Christmas."

"When asked about the fate of the 50-year old extremists body, Amin Sayed, the funeral director within the Lebanese Muslim Association, said 'we don't care about him, we don't know him, chuck him in the bloody shithouse.'

'Nobody's going to do his funeral. No Muslim funeral home will accept him,' he said.

'They can throw him in the bloody sea."

"Mr Sayed said Monis would receive a secret funeral with an unmarked grave, and that they would not accept any amount of money to arrange his funeral.

'Anyone who does harm to Australians, we don't want him,' he said."

Legob, charming as usual.
The bile spilling from your throat must burn you?

Poirot, Steele and Ojnab , voices of reason is a sea of hatred.

As this thread degenerates further into a Muslim hate-fest, I take solace in the fact that the majority of Aussies do not feel the same way as the usual suspects on this site....

See you all on another thread.
Suse.