Thanks Jay,

I've got to use that: " ....'to let fact checking define the narrative would be a huge mistake."

Brilliant ! I've been typing up thousands of pages of old documents, Protector's letters, missionary's journal, reports, etc., in relation to Aboriginal policy in South Australia - what I found was that:

* there was only one full-time employee of the 'Aborigines Department' (in fact, from 1837 right through to the 1930s) - i.e. the Protector;

* that there was no 'herding of people onto Missions';

* that [big surprise for me!] there was no driving of people from their lands, quite the contrary, and

* that there was no removal of countless thousands of children from families.

Next time I'm in a discussion with a defender of all those myths, I'll try to be helpful and pass that one on :)

' .... 'to let fact checking define the narrative would be a huge mistake.' Story trumps facts. Ideology trumps reality. Beauty !

Joe

Another 'nutter' in France driving his car (probably bought on welfare) into 11 people while calling AllahuAkbar. Not enough money spent on mental health in France I take it.

My word Runner a man of the Bible does not preach love and forgiveness, thank goodness I am an Atheist where I do practise the above.
One must ask the question why is all this happening at present, do the Muslim community feel not wanted by the Western society, do the Muslim community want to control the world by devious means, does the Western society want to control the rich oil fields which Muslims control at present, does the Western society want to control the world by creating unrest in many parts of the world.
Australia is fast becoming a police controlled country, any demonstration will involve the complete arm of the law, what you may write here could be interpreted as sinister, we all are being watched, perhaps love and forgiveness no longer exists between human beings, do we care about the unemployed and poverty that is everywhere now, are we too believing in the lies told by the media and Governments which in turn creates hatred, that being what they want. There is much more unrest behind what people are doing, this will become worse as poverty spreads its wings, but do not worry you will be put in your place by the police and soldiers, so as you will be kept at the level of poverty where you belong.

Onjab, why have the Muslims been feuding and killing each other ever since Muhammad died? For nearly 1500 years they been at each other, do you really think that's all the influence of the evil West?

As expected http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/three-arrested-in-lakemba-brawl/story-e6frfku9-1227165159354
The government needs to pull the platform out from under these extremists, which strengthens with each atrocity (and expected atrocity, if that's what Abbott is trying to tell us today in his strange way).

Pretending we haven't been jihaded clearly hasn't worked. Accepting that we have, and opening negotiation over a formal pledge by (all) churches to upholding secular democracy by acting against followers who don't, is the only way to defuse the issue in Australia.

Perhaps the Christian churches wouldn't go with this notion? Runner?