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By Andee Jones, published 24/10/2014It isn't just the Barry Spurrs of the world. The male of the species is in deep trouble and he doesn't seem to have the foggiest notion why.
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Posted by imho, Friday, 24 October 2014 8:32:17 PM
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Examining "masculinity" through the eyes of feminism is like examining Jews through the eyes of Nazis, or examining capitalists through the eyes of Bolsheviks. Anyway, articles like this that denigrate the entire male specie based on the actions of a few have a lot in common with racist arguments. The racists take a few actions by blacks/Asians/whites, then extrapolate those actions to the whole race.
A few questions for the feminists: Considering women (mothers) have control of boys for the first decade or more of their lives, why aren't women made accountable for producing supposed horrible men? Why should tax payers' money fund the political propaganda and moral zealotry of a few radicals in our Universities? Why are all-encompassing negative statements made about men considered intellectual, but all-encompassing negative statements on women considered sexist? Posted by Aristocrat, Friday, 24 October 2014 9:16:43 PM
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Can feminists ever point to a time where their perfect society existed? I am guessing, no.
Feminists, like all "progressives", live in the ideal, not the actual. They always set up some perfect ideal form of morality (of which no does, or can, act by) and then judge everyone (except for women) by it. How easy! In fact, how devious! If they think they can "reconstruct" maleness, perhaps they can give a detailed plan and how this will be done? - No slogans or one-lined moralising - can they give an actual plan to be implemented? Posted by Aristocrat, Friday, 24 October 2014 9:27:24 PM
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Killarney
"Haven’t you heard of stuff like ‘global perspectives’ and ‘we’re a global community’? When it comes to monetary policy, globalisation has been shoved down our throats for three decades. But when it comes to viewing humanity’s problems from a global perspective, people like yourself suddenly want to retreat into parochial tribalism." We call that context denial. http://therightstuff.biz/2014/10/17/exploring-liberal-context-denial/ Let's explore the context of violence in the third world shall we? Let's discuss the fact that the majority of Africans and Pacific Islander adults have the intellectual capacity and ability to reason of a six year old European year old, ie their median IQ is about 70. I mean these are the brilliant minds who came up with the idea that having sex with toddlers can cure aids: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/southafrica/1362134/South-African-men-rape-babies-as-cure-for-Aids.html Louis Theroux makes some good documentaries: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xycnjl_law-and-disorder-in-johannesburg_lifestyle So does Sorious Samura: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yWlRTKMNCM A longer Sierra Leone documentary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcOplqsgTqQ Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Friday, 24 October 2014 9:42:45 PM
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Aristocrat,
Men aren't broken and we don't need to be fixed, neither are women, what's broken is academia and academics, not society. The other day I actually heard that awful Lumby woman talking about how old White male academics are afraid to compete intellectually with women and "POC'S". It is to laugh, these silly old fuddy duddies like Barry Spurr are clearly starved of intellectual stimulation in modern arts departments, that's why they're frittering away their time writing saucy emails instead of working.... Real footage of the skilled debaters of the winning 2014 U.S Cross Examination Debate Association's National Championship team. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W77qa48MWDg Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Friday, 24 October 2014 9:53:41 PM
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Hell yeah!
Come on boys....Let's blame the feminists, the mothers, the academics, the blacks, the gays, the refugees, the progressives, the loony left....everyone else but the violent men in this country who cause the death of at least one woman a week through domestic violence, and multiple deaths of other men each week. No one can deny these statistics from our crime sites, so why can't we just own the reality that men perpetrate the most violence and deaths of others in Australia, and all work together towards dealing with this problem? One thing is for sure, it will never be acknowledged by most on this manly masculine site! Posted by Suseonline, Saturday, 25 October 2014 12:47:16 AM
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There are decades of research (in Australia, US, UK, Europe and elsewhere) that have measured what the vast majority of women already see in the suffering of their fathers, brothers, spouses, sons, the men they work with, and so forth.
Here are just a few snippets: ‘Patriarchal identity formation can decisively deform the psyche and manifest in compulsive, rigidified ways of relating to others.’ ‘Violation of gender norms has more severe consequences for males than for females.’ ‘Dominant male gender role ideology is learned from patriarchal structures, including families and schools, and is experienced unconsciously as fear of femininity.’ ‘Stereotypical gender patterns arise directly and indirectly out of trauma.’ ‘A review of more than 230 empirical studies to 2007 showed that such patterns significantly correlate with a vast range of intrapersonal and interpersonal problems, among them depression, anxiety, low self-esteem, shame, substance abuse, suicidality, dysfunctional relationship patterns (including notions of male entitlement), hostile sexism, and self-reported sexual violence. The take-home message is that this suffering is inflicted via enculturation.
In other words, as you correctly point out, it can be changed. We don’t have to keep repeating the patterns. When enough men stand up to the violent minority, we will see change. Violent men do not listen to women. They listen to men they respect.
Many thanks for your comments.
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