Hi Andee,
Thank you for your response. I've been blessed to have VERY STRONG men in my life (physically, mentally, spiritually) who absolutely abhor violence against women. Your study of 10000 men - I'd love to have a read of that. If that article is representative of men (and I truly hope it is not), we have a much bigger problem on our hands.
I think we both agree that being 'manly' and 'masculine' does not mean being violent or sexually aggressive. I agree that many men need to think about their role and responsibility in resolving this terrible issue.
Thank you again for your post, it's certainly very interesting.

Hi Lillian,
Thank you for those links - I read them (and watched) with interest.
It seems perhaps we are arguing the same thing. We both agree that violence is bad. We both agree that some men have a predisposition (or have been culturalised) towards violence.
Do men have a long way to go? Certainly. Do women have a long way to go? Indeed.

"You are missing the point of the article and what it actually says. You are interpreting it in a way that shows you have not understood it. There is no point in me trying to explain it to you. Why? Because you want to believe that your misreading is correct. How do I know? Because you are up in arms over what it doesn't say."

The article is saying that men have a problem with violence and it is men that are part of the solution. I agree with that.
Do I believe the statistics in the article are incorrect? I have reservations, yes.

The article of 'rankism' I think really is just another word for low self esteem, or bullying.

Thank you for those article, I enjoyed reading them.

P

Daphne Patai in her book "Heterophobia" demonstrates the use of what is known as "inflammatory analogies".

<The fact is that traditional Western norms of masculinity both encourage and coerce boys and
<men into adopting tough, Father-Knows-Best attitudes, and that such attitudes are associated
< with restrictive sexual and emotional behaviour,

The author points to so called Western Norms, yet makes comparisons with various polynesian cultures.

"Once we were Warriors" is one movie that I have never been able to watch, it is just far too violent for me. Sure theatre does have 'dramatic licence'.

The generalised term "Western culture" is made up of two genders, so how come only one gender (male) gets loaded with all the guilt tripping about how males grow up.

I think this "Father knows best" is just a bit of romantic historical fiction, an urban myth.

Terrible article. Wrong on every point.

'The male of the species is in deep trouble and he doesn't seem to have the foggiest notion why.'

Yes we do. It's because of people like you. Girlie men in academia who want to curry favour with second rate feminist misandrists.

'What is not in doubt is that a minority of men perpetrates the vast majority of violence against others-both male and female.'

Well, why claim the entire male species is in 'dire trouble'?

'U. S.studies, for example, show that 80 percent of boys reported having experienced sexual abuse (mostly out of the home).'

Absolute tosh. Most sexual abuse occurs from a relative or a close friend. Most physical abuse and child deaths occur at the hands of mothers. Why demonize all men?

'Literally hundreds of studies over the past few decades show that men have been and still are vastly over-represented among problem populations such as perpetrators of abuse and violence, victims of suicide and fatal automobile accidents, sex addicts and sex offenders, substance abusers, parents estranged from their children, and more.'

So why does the vast majority of health and social serves funding go to women's issues? Maybe there are men who could do with some help too? Or would that be misogyny?

'Men who have been enculturated into this ideology of male entitlement'

Would that be the entitlement to work longer hours, further from home, take less sick leave, retire later in life and die earlier? Gee. I would love to have some of this wimmens suffering.

'The fact is that traditional Western norms of masculinity both encourage and coerce boys and men into adopting tough, Father-Knows-Best attitudes..'

I think you are stuck in the 1950s here. Are you reminscing about your own father maybe? You need to get with the program. Men have changed.

' ..and that such attitudes are associated with restrictive sexual and emotional behaviour, obsession with dominating, competing and controlling, and health-care problems.'

I know it's a difficult concept for academics to understand but just because men don't indulge in public outpouring of emotion doesn't mean they don't have them. Btw, just because women have them doesn't always make them right.

'According to the evidence, traditional notions of male entitlement and toughness are associated with broad-ranging harms to men themselves as well as with abusive and violent thoughts, attitudes and behaviours toward women.'

Men's problems are only important insofar as they affect women. At least we can see your real agenda now.

'Today, we are still as likely to be invited to fight in other people's wars over access to other people's resources.'

After being comprehensively wrong on every single point, after revealing absolutely no understanding of men except through the warped prism of academic feminism, you then venture into foreign wars for resources! Gee. Does it get any worse than this?

Here's a hint. You will get a better understanding of men if you treat them as humans with hopes, wishes and desires of their own, not just in relation to how well they can provide women with 'choices'. I would recommend seeing a councillor about your self esteem. You need to first come to terms with your own masculinity and to actually like yourself before you can advise other men.

Btw. Are you gay? (not that there's anything wrong with that; just that you are writing about hetrosexual men so it is relevant)

Hi again Pete, here's the link you requested plus an Australian link:

United Nations Emma Fulu, et al. “Why Do Some Men Use Violence Against Women And How Can We Prevent It? Quantitative Findings from the United Nations Multi-Country Study on Men and Violence in Asia and the Pacific.” Bangkok: UNDP, UNFPA, UN Women and UNV, 2013. http://unwomen-asiapacific.org/docs/WhyDoSomeMenUseViolenceAgainstWomen_P4P_Report.pdf

In Australia, on average, one in three women report having experienced physical or sexual violence. On average, at least one woman is killed every week by a current or former partner. See ‘Submission into the prevalence and impact of domestic violence’ (Aug 2014) at:
http://www.whiteribbon.org.au/

One can see the impact of this violence in Australia just by scanning the daily news columns.