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Men in trouble : Comments

By Andee Jones, published 24/10/2014

It isn't just the Barry Spurrs of the world. The male of the species is in deep trouble and he doesn't seem to have the foggiest notion why.

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Silvia Federici is a Marxist so we can dismiss Caliban And The Witch out of hand.
No sensible person would disagree with Kathleen Barry's views on war but again we run into the the issue which stands out in Andee's article, some groups of men are pre-disposed toward violence and the key visual indicator is the amount of melanin in their skin.
Even if we recognise that in western societies the vast majority of violent acts are committed by men we still have to accept that in sub Saharan Africa and the Pacific men commit violence at ten to twenty times the rate of westerners.
If you want to focus an anti war movement on White European males, the least violent men on the planet and get them to stop fighting in order to pull the rug out from under "patriarchy" then Barry's plan could work. However it's not going to be useful in, say Lae or Freetown because the men there are not capable of the level of introspection or rational thought required to commit to such a course of action.
Look this whole argument, Barry's included is so deeply flawed because it pretends to be colourblind then apportions blame for all the trouble in the world on less than 5% of the men in the world,the White European males.
You can't end war by asking the most peaceable and amiable men in the world to stay home with, as the leader of ISIL put it "the wifey and the doggy and the benefits" and good luck trying to deliver Feminist critique of masculinity to the men of Monrovia or Lagos or Detroit.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Sunday, 26 October 2014 3:07:58 PM
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Jay of Melbourne
I agree that Western White men are better than most other men
in their empathy and understanding of women's rights and issues.

Nobody here has mentioned however the biological hardwiring
of the male brain.

What is programmed by nature and evolution.

Yes, we have intelligence to override our basic instincts and
we can be socialised to have empathy, which is why the Western
males on average have more awareness and empathy toward women.

However just about every few months there
is still a rape reported in the papers somewhere. Not to mention
the billion dollar brothel industry. And the constant sexual
assaults and rape cases in the armed services.

So obviously men do fight a battle in controlling their sexual
biological imperatives. And some men just can't exert that control,despite societies laws and expectations.

We can see in times of war as recently as Isis that women are a
territorial resource to men. When their are no restricting
laws or societal pressures in play, the men revert to what the
male in every species on the planet does. Kills all the males(men
and boys sired by different bloodline males) and mates with every woman they can find. This greatly enhances their chance of
genetic immortality.

How many times in history have their been cases of men racing over
and kidnapping a group of women. Because a society of men is no
society at all.
Posted by CHERFUL, Sunday, 26 October 2014 4:56:10 PM
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*Note the resource grabs going on by mining and landgrabbing western countries and ponder the witch burnings in PNG and Africa.*

Sounds like a bit of a stretch to me, Lillian. Superstition is rampant in those parts of the third world and it is not just about burning witches. I suggest perhaps you read " No Mercy" by Redmond O'Hanlon, about his travels through the Congo. It infiltrates every part of their society, including the Bantu wondering if Pygmies really are people and so cannot be eaten or kept as slaves. Nothing to do with the West, everything to do with no education.
Posted by Yabby, Sunday, 26 October 2014 5:01:49 PM
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Karl Marx Quote-

Anyone who knows anything of history
Knows that the progress and enlightenment
of any society or civilization
Is directly linked to the position and advancement
of women in that society. Even the ugly ones.

the words may not be exact, but they are close enough
Don't have time to look up the actual quote
Posted by CHERFUL, Sunday, 26 October 2014 5:04:45 PM
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CHERFUL, "So obviously men do fight a battle in controlling their sexual biological imperatives"

Bollocks!

Which men might they be and how many?

Are you negatively stereotyping all men to fit (and be responsible for) the actions of the aberrant few?

How many women commit infanticide? But wait, they always have an excuse don't they and the enduring positive stereotype of women could not blame women for the actions of some.

I spent some hours this weekend as usual volunteering with a group of men and from their unselfish service and having also been into their homes I cannot believe they are the fiends, actual or potential, of your foul generalistion.

Once men were highly regarded and valued but not now, apparently. Hasn't feminism come a long way?(sic)
Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 26 October 2014 6:06:24 PM
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He had some other pretty wrong headed ideas too, didn't he.
Posted by Hasbeen, Sunday, 26 October 2014 7:33:30 PM
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