To Julainutter.

Your position now (correct me if I am wrong) is that you are IMPLYING that it is wrong to stereotype an entire group of people as being a violent threat. That is just idealistic malarky.

I am sure that you do not like any members of the Ku Klux Klan, the Mafia, the Hells Angels, or the Nazi Party. The reason why you dislike them, is because you understand their values, attitudes and behaviours, you consider their violent attitudes to be utterly wrong, and those who advocate those values as dangerous. You do not go around saying that there are good Ku Klux Klansmen and bad Ku Klux Klansmen, nor do you do the same for Nazis, Mafioso, narcotrafficantes, and Hells Angels. Then by some application of doublethink, you then act outraged at me doing to Muslims, what you do yourself to people who are members of groups that you do not like.

Muslims have an ideology that considers killing non Muslims a holy thing approved by their God. I know that most Muslims would not personally kill me, just like most Ku Klux Klansmen who despise negroes do not want to personally kill Negros. But both groups have nutters within them that would do just that, and those who would not kill themselves would heartily approve of their more activist members killing the people their ideology despises. Some would help, some would look the other way, and some would never betray those who did kill. All members of violent social organisations that have ideologies that sanction violence towards particular out groups approve of the violence towards those out groups, to one degree or another. That is what makes all Ku Klux Klan members dangerous to African Negros, all Nazis dangerous to Jews, and all Muslims dangerous to non Muslims.

There is nothing wrong with stereotyping because it is the way people think. People think by forming generalised concepts, and those generalised concepts are stereotypes. All you need is for the stereotype to be reasonably accurate and it is a valid concept.

Nutter,

No. Maybe if you could find, in nearly a hundred years now, a picture of an Israeli kid holding up a severed Palestinian head. But such a photo doesn't exist, does it ?

When will you get it through your head that the Islamic State people are continually, and deliberately, pushing the boundaries of what is humanly acceptable, i.e. by what is seen by wimpy non-jihadis as acceptable ? I recall Waffen SS troops pushing the same limits, between what is human, and what is beyond humanly acceptable. And US troops holding up ears of Vietnamese who they had killed. Vile behaviour, beyond the limits of humanity, and deliberately so.

Deliberately beyond human - I suspect that is how IS thugs see themselves, and thereby closer to Allah. It's as if they have decided to leave this world of low, base ordinary humans, and put themselves on a rapid path to Paradise where humans can't exist - that they are in a sort of non-human zone between base-human Earth and supra-human Paradise. In that zone, the most vile slaughter of people is perfectly permissible, required by Allah, as they depict him. The more brutal, the more holy, in their cock-eyed view.

If this is so, and if he exists, then Allah is a vile turd. Pass it on, usefuls.

BTT: Hamas refrains from firing rockets into Israel, Israel has no reason to launch attacks on Gaza. Truce. If Hamas recognizes Israel's right to exist, and demilitarises, then the process of forming two states can begin.

And maybe, just maybe, Islam can take a tentative step towards the modern world.

Loudmouth
Killing women and kids by remote control, and cheering on such brutality doesn't rate with you as barbaric?

Why not loudmouth? Self defense and proportionate you'll plead as have all those others supporting Israels actions and alongside those who endorse ethnic cleansing.

You Know loudmouth you really should stop abusing me.

I can portray your rants here as absolutely hapless, and you as helpless as the nitwit, if you persist.

Hi Nutter,

Not really - fire rockets at random into another country and you cop the consequences, including retaliatory missile strikes.

After all, HAMAS has raised the stakes over the years in this on-off war of calibrated brutality, feeding off the numbers of the bodies of those women and children and calculatingly using them as propaganda tools, especially aimed towards naïve foreigners such as yourself, with respect.

Stop firing rockets and the strikes and bombardments will cease - as indeed they have (at time of writing). If the rockets start again, the bombardments and missile strikes will start again. So it will go. No surprises.

I'm not an Islamist so I don't support ethnic cleansing. Or beheading children. Or selling women into sex-slavery. Or machine-gunning prisoners. Or crucifying non-believers. Or shooting smokers.

I apologise, Nutter, if I seem to be condemning your friends by pointing all this out :)

Stay useful :)

Joe

well here is your problem Joe.

You ignore anything that puts the Israelis in a bad light.

firstly,
the rockets stopped because Israel was forced to open Gaza's borders, extend the fishing zones and negotiate a port and airport for Gaza.

That was a major setback considering it wasn't linked to the demilitarisation of Gaza nor the rewrite of the Hamas charter.

you cannot accept that fact.

secondly,
while you only condemn the violence of hamas and other Islamic terrorists you cannot show me pictures of everyday Muslims cheering on the barbarism.
I can show you pictures of everyday Jews cheering on the barbarism of killing women and kids by remote control. I can also show pictures of the consequences of massively disproportionate use of violence by Israel against people of a different religion.

you cannot accept those facts.

I condemn all violence from both sides.

You condemn only 'ethnic cleansing. Or beheading children. Or selling women into sex-slavery. Or machine-gunning prisoners. Or crucifying non-believers. Or shooting smokers.'

but you won't condemn the killing of innocent women and kids or Israel's actions as disproportionate or ethnic cleansing.

You are in absolute denial about those facts.

'I apologise, Nutter, if I seem to be condemning your friends by pointing all this out :)'

Yes you do seem to be condemning my friends but, from all the evidence, my friends are fellow pacifists who condemn all violence on both sides. We don't excuse or ignore any of it.

See how hapless you make yourself appear when you align yourself with the likes of ethnic cleansing supporters like helpless.

but wait there is more.

In the first Gulf War, Saddam Hussein's forces fired 50 SCUD missiles at Israel, and the Palestinians stood on their rooftops and cheered as the missiles struck home into Israeli population centres.

According to Julainutter's bizarre pacifist, Christian logic, it is OK for Palestinians to cheer on Iraqi missiles aimed at Israel, but completely, totally, and utterly wrong for Israelis to do the same thing.