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A lesson Israel and Hamas should remember : Comments
By Alon Ben-Meir, published 26/8/2014The ongoing war between Israel and Hamas is only reinforcing the notion that unlike previous ceasefire agreements, preventing repeated violent confrontations requires a fundamental change in the status quo.
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Posted by imajulianutter, Sunday, 31 August 2014 7:30:57 PM
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Joe,
‘25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?” 27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b]” 28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.” 29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?” 30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’ 36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?” 37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.” Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”' Now for ‘tin tacks’ Joe 1. Luke 10:25-37New International Version (NIV) ... The much revised Christian New Testament, not the Hebrew dark age version. Posted by imajulianutter, Sunday, 31 August 2014 7:44:32 PM
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Hi Nutter,
I think LEGO was trying to get through to you that Palestinians cheered Saddam's missiles, on the one hand, and Israelis watched jets and artillery striking Palestinian targets, on the other. Probably didn't work :( My point about the Good Samaritan fable was that the mythical Jesus praised a person who helped someone who was not of his ethnic group, and that I don't expect that you could find anything comparable in the Koran. OF COURSE, within-group assistance is as old as humanity, perhaps much, much older - but assistance for an Other, and assistance without expectation of reciprocity as in the story, is much, much rarer, and is perhaps a post-Graeco-Roman phenomenon, maybe an outcome of a long period of urban multi-ethnic societies across the Roman Empire, not Christian per se - a precursor to genuinely progressive Enlightenment thinking. And certainly something foreign to traditional Islamic ethics as represented by the Koran - unless you have other evidence ? Cheers, Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Sunday, 31 August 2014 8:00:29 PM
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No hapless
It was not Hebrew. Nor Roman. Nor Greek. The Hebrews were as self centered as the Muslims. The Romans were barbaric, despots with little compassion or philosophy. They were economic and territorial Imperialists like the Muslims and Jews. The Greek focus, though more civilised, was still inward as well. The Christian outward focus was instituted by Christ and when merged with the Greek philosophies lead to the peaceful forgiving civilisation we in the west cherish. Your haplessness is to the fore again it shows you've read little and understand even less Posted by imajulianutter, Monday, 1 September 2014 2:54:18 PM
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Have no idea why Palestinians feel disenfranchised...
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/01/world/middleeast/israel-claims-nearly-1000-acres-of-west-bank-land-near-bethlehem.html "JERUSALEM — Israel laid claim on Sunday to nearly 1,000 acres of West Bank land in a Jewish settlement bloc near Bethlehem — a step that could herald significant Israeli construction in the area — defying Palestinian demands for a halt in settlement expansion. Peace Now, an Israeli group that opposes the construction of settlements in the West Bank, said that the action on Sunday might be the largest single appropriation of West Bank land in decades and that it could “dramatically change the reality” in the area." "Israeli officials said the political directive to expedite a survey of the status of the land came after three Israeli teenagers were kidnapped and killed in June while hitchhiking in that area. In July, the Israeli authorities arrested a Palestinian who was accused of being the prime mover in the kidnapping and killing of the teenagers. The timing of the land appropriation suggested that it was meant as a kind of compensation for the settlers and punishment for the Palestinians. The land, which is near the small Jewish settlement of Gvaot in the Etzion bloc south of Jerusalem, has now officially been declared “state land,” as opposed to land privately owned by Palestinians, clearing the way for the potential approval of Israeli building plans there." Posted by Poirot, Monday, 1 September 2014 3:40:01 PM
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Hapless Loudmouth let's continue the lesson
1. Samaritan. Old English, "inhabitant of Samaria," a district of Palestine, from Late Latin Samaritanus, from Greek Samareia (see Samaria ). A non-Hebrew race was settled in its cities by the king of Assyria after the removal of the Israelites from the country. They later adopted some Jewish ways, but largely remained apart. Figurative use with reference to the good Samaritan is first recorded 1630s, from Luke x:33. Related: Samaritanism 2. Levite [lee-vahyt] Spell Syllables • Word Origin noun 1. a member of the tribe of Levi. 2. a descendant of Levi, especially one appointed to assist the priests in the temple or tabernacle. 3. Priest? Would that be a rabbi Joe? These facts challenge your view on quite a few levels Hapless Loudmouth? You see Hapless Loudmouth your focus was that there is no similar merciful story in the Koran. In the Hebrew Bible there is a similar story. But it does not have the merciful bit about Christ. ‘ 36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?” 37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.” Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”'’ The story of the Samaritan, without this, in the Hebrew bible has a completely different interpretation and it is not at all about mercy. That aligns the Hebrew bible with your claims about the Koran. To put it in simple terms for you Hapless Loudmouth: The only people with such a merciful story in their book are the Christians. That supports my overall view. Logic Hapless Loudmouth: your attempts at equivalence makes you look hapless. Too much logic with which to bother Hapless Loudmouth? But let's go on: Christ wasn’t mythical. Even the Jews accept he was a prophet. You are unlike the other supporters of Israel. You through ignorance, are simply ignorant of your own bias and are so limited in intellect to even recognise that fact. Thanks for these opportunities... Hapless Loudmouth lol as a propagandist you are useless. Posted by imajulianutter, Monday, 1 September 2014 6:33:18 PM
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Show me exactly where I said I supported the cheering of Saddam's rockets or indeed the firing of any rockets at Israel.
Even show me where I have defended such actions.
You cannot. You really are clutching at inane straws.
Laughable really.