Nutter,
<<What do you see as the possible future for Israel if it doesn't seek to achieve a just peace in the region?>>

Apparently you are under the delusion that if Israel returned to its 1967 borders all would be just lovey-dovey. Even if Israel ceased to exist tomorrow your mates would still not be satisfied. They have a list of gripes as long as your tall-tales. Starting with Israel then moving on to India, Thailand, the Philippines, South Sudan… to the Islamic enclaves in Paris, London …and yes, Sydney & Melbourne

<<How much impact on todays settlement do you attribute to Obama and the Americans putting their foot down?>>

Whatever settlement is agreed on today or tomorrow Hamas or Hezbollah or one of their franchises will break it.

<<Haven't thought about those things? >>
You mates are leading you along by the nose Nutter ~.I asked your mate NC over on that other thread what represented “occupied territory” and he refused to answer it every time –and he was billing himself as a moderate!

Wake up and see your allies for what they really are.

Joe

The Sunni/Shia war gas been going on for centuries. It was settled under the rule by the moderate Persian's and recently by the moderate Turks. Once the US stop supporting the Saudis and the Israelis, the two wrmongering cultures of the mid east, it is likely either a moderate Iran or Egypt will dominate and peace will reign.
It is not our fight.
It is a fight being led by the extremist Sunni. The same Sunni whose minority once dominated Iraq but who have been held in check in most other Muslim countries in the region.
Note Palestinians, Iranians, Jordanians, Egyptian, Lebanon, Hamas and Hezbollah are all Shia dominated

Saudi is Sunni dominated and Wahabbism the fundamental dominating extremism. The terrorist funds come from Saudi.
Hamas and Hezbollah are funded by Iran. The only war the Iranians have fought was against the Sunni dominated Iraq of Saddam.

Look with the peace agreement today there is a real hope for peace if the Israelis consider returning to the '67 borders.

The analysts, realists and pragmatists, on all sides, are starting to discuss that possibility.

That was an impossibility 8 weeks ago.

Netanyahu's support for the extremism of some Israeli Jews has lead to his demise. Watch. He will be dumped. The experiment with violence and ethnic cleansing is nearly at an end.The majority of Jews of Israel will be pragmatic and now seek peaceful leaders and genuinely work for peace.

Why is this position unrealistic?

It is forgiving and peace seeking a d has worked in the west for generations.

Nutter,

<< the moderate Turks>>

ROFLMAO

Nutter you ought to be a stand-up comedian --because you sure as hell aint a historian .

Did you ask any of the peoples of the Balkans and Greece about the moderate Ottomans?

Nutter,

"Palestinians, Iranians, Jordanians, Egyptian, Lebanon, Hamas and Hezbollah are all Shia dominated."

Well no, Iran and Lebanon, yes, but certainly not Palestine, Jordan or Egypt. Hamas, as an extremist Sunni organisation, has 'an uneasy relation ship' with Iran, since it is a thorn in Israel's side. That may not last much longer.

On the other hand, the Gulf States, Yemen, Pakistan and even Turkey have either Shia majorities or large minorities.

So, if fighting on the current front-line between Sunni and Shia in Iraq becomes much more vicious, and moves closer to the Iranian border, Iran may intervene. If it does, the Saudis won't sit quietly by. But if they intervene on behalf of the Islamic State (what am I saying ?! A Sunni fundamentalist kingdom supporting IS ?! I'll wash my mouth out), then its large Shia minority along the Gulf will revolt, along with the Shias in the Emirates. Then it will be on for young and old. Pakistan will be drawn in, if only to give the populace an excuse to indignantly burn various flags. Egypt, under its military, will stay out and put pressure on Hamas to do the same. But it might get dragged into the one in Libya.

So we could see a series of vicious wars from Libya (and down into West Africa) across to Pakistan and up into Afghanistan. And Iran would then put pressure on India, as its ally, to get involved: under Modi, that is possible. And then Sunni Bangla Desh at India's back.

With nuclear weapons in the mix, there may not be much peace and quiet in that neighbourhood for some time. Or perhaps in ours.

Joe

more 'progressive'nonsense and the rewriting of history exposed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHpMhAzj-Tk

The only way Israel can meet a "just peace" that would suite the Muslims Julianutter, is for the entire population if Israel to become Muslim.

Gaza is a nice, small target, and Israel is a lot bigger. If it comes to making one side or the other unliveable, my money is on the Jews.

Onya, SPQR. Sic'em, Fang.