You really are stupid. All of you.

You say all Muslims are violent.
When I say some Jews and some Muslims are violent you attack and abuse me.

You say the Koran is violent.

When I say both the Koran and Hebrew bible contain both peacefulness and forgiveness as well as violence and vengeance you attack and abuse me.

You say Muslims are intent on a genocide of Jews.
When I say some Muslims and some Jews are intent on genocides you attack and abuse me.

When you say all Muslims or the 'Muslim World' are violent.

You attack and abuse me when I point out peaceful Islamic secular countries like Jordan, Turkey, Indonesia and Malaysia.

When you say I support or are friendly with Islamists because I overwhelmingly make statements that are anti Jewish or Israel.

I laugh at you.

There are no Muslims in here supporting the violence of other Muslims. If they were I'd debate with them as I have you lot.

There are in here Jews and non Jews supporting the violence of the Jews of Israel.

Doesn't that say something.

The fact Muslims haven't entered this debate supporting the violence of some Muslims tends to suggest to me Muslims in Australia overwhelmingly don't support violence and vengeance.

You disgraceful lot are evidence a few Jews outside Israel, if you are, and a few non Jews overwhelmingly support violence and vengeance.

If any of you are under the illusion I was doing anything other than stringing you all along until you had completely exposed yourselves ...well don't be so stupid.

Graham asked me once if he should not allow any discussion of the mid east.

I said no. This is why.

Hi Nutter,

Thank for the spray. Actually, you extend my point about Christian compassion for the Other - in my view, the Koran is based very much, if in a very garbled way, on the books of the pre-Christian, pre-Graeco-Roman, Jews, and in that sense, represent a reactionary throw-back to a view of the world, which even many Jews would eschew.

So my question remains: can you find the slightest trace of - post-Medina - passages in the Koran which in any way show compassion for 'Others', non-Muslims ?

This is a vital question: fascists generally consider Others to be less human or entirely non-human - look at the attitude of the Islamic State to the Yazidis, who they have been slaughtering, enslaving their women, beheading their children. Maybe all Utopian theories - theories which posit a perfect society 'if only if weren't for x group or y group, who thereby must be exterminated' - degenerate into fascism. I would be interested in your views on this subject.

Cheers,

Joe

Dear Julianutter. You got it all wrong again, but don't worry, I am not going to accuse you of being a "liar", just a person who can't think past his ideological blinkers.

Nobody said that all Muslims were violent. But they are devotees of a violent religion that sanctions the use of extreme violence towards non Muslims in order to force them to convert to their religion. These religiously mandated violent attitudes have helped shape the violent Muslim mindsets in the same way that pacifist Christianity shaped the more pacifist Christian mindsets.

I say that the Muslims are the world's leading exponents on genocide as they are proving right now in Iraq and Syria, and that it is not wrong for the Jews to ethnically cleanse the ethnic cleansers who are trying to ethnically cleanse them.

That some Muslim countries are less violent than others is true. Turkey was once considered the most socially advanced Muslim country despite the genocide of Christian Assyrians and Armenians, plus the odd murder of a Catholic archbishop and a priest or two, but it is now in the iron grip of committed Muslims who want to turn back the clock on all of Kamal Attaturks western oriented social reforms.

The Christian world rocketed ahead of the others when we had our Reformation and told our priests to bug out of our governments. The Muslim world is now undergoing a Reformation too. But the stupid buggers think that the reason why they are so poor is that they are not religious enough. THAT is why violence in the Muslim world is increasing. They are going back to their original scriptures and doing exactly what Mohammad told them to do.

My main criticism of you is that you are a religious bigot who thinks that his particular religion is the only true religion (where have I heard that one before?) and you can only see the world through that distorting lens. To you, the behaviour of Jews and Muslims is equally bad and is caused entirely through their worship of false religions.