yvonne and Suseonline,

You both rely on your own experience and observation, discarding all facts that run contrary to your world view which, if you only thought about it, holds women in contempt as eternal victims.

What do you say about the bald fact of those UK numbers though? What about these facts?

<Data from Home Office statistical bulletins and the British Crime Survey show that men made up about 40% of domestic violence victims each year between 2004-05 and 2008-09, the last year for which figures are available. In 2006-07 men made up 43.4% of all those who had suffered partner abuse in the previous year, which rose to 45.5% in 2007-08 but fell to 37.7% in 2008-09.

Similar or slightly larger numbers of men were subjected to severe force in an incident with their partner, according to the same documents. The figure stood at 48.6% in 2006-07, 48.3% the next year and 37.5% in 2008-09, Home Office statistics show.

The 2008-09 bulletin states: "More than one in four women (28%) and around one in six men (16%) had experienced domestic abuse since the age of 16. These figures are equivalent to an estimated 4.5 million female victims of domestic abuse and 2.6 million male victims."

In addition, "6% of women and 4% of men reported having experienced domestic abuse in the past year, equivalent to an estimated one million female victims of domestic abuse and 600,000 male victims".>
[see my post above, onthebeach, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 11:05:55 AM]

Suseonline,

Referring directly to your often repeated claim that neither you nor other community nurses ever encounter violence that is woman->woman, woman->child or woman->man, have you ever considered you are probably part of the problem that enlightened health services are trying to address? Here is an example from a modern health service, the Mayo Clinic and I would be interested in your views on it,

<Domestic violence against men: Know the signs
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/adult-health/in-depth/domestic-violence-against-men/art-20045149?pg=1

"No one can 'force' someone else to think the way they do."

The word 'force' is correct in the strict sense of the word but then if that was the criteria for addressing an issue not much would warrent addressing.

What we should look at is the role certain factors play in outcomes, if bullying rarely effects its victims because they cannot be forced to think a certain way then Suzie has a point. If not then it's a dodge to avoid the issue.

http://www.workplacebullying.org/individuals/impact/mental-health-harm/ "Sometimes, the violence is turned inward. When the "way out" seems unattainable and no alternatives can be imagined, some people contemplate suicide."

Apparently some people think that womens mental health is impaced by a partners behaviour
http://www.health.vic.gov.au/vwhp/downloads/vichealth_violence%20_%20summary.pdf "Among these, violence against women, particularly that occurring in the context of an intimate relationship, emerged as an especially common phenomenon having serious mental health impacts."

The list could go on and on. Anybody who genuinely thinks that bullying and excessive power wielded on an ongoing basis by someone keen to hurt won't generally have an impact on mental health should be championing the dismantling of a lot of government programs built around the idea that bullying does generally do harm regardless of some peoples ability to rise above it.

Simple summary - if you hand to much power to one party to hurt the other (backed all to often by the government) and hurt them on almost every front a percentage will not cope. If their plight is dismissed because they were not together enough in the first place then the bar is being set pretty high.

Men who lose most of their involvement in their kids lives from an ex's manipulation, who have their reputations tarnished through lies and who also lose most of their hope for rebuilding their life through punitive financial arrangements also backed by the government have been bullied big time.

R0bert

Wow, you blokes seem to have trouble getting on with women :)

Question, otb, although I suspect that Suse can answer it a lot better: from your experience, would men who have been battered be as injured, and require as much emergency treatment, as women who have been battered ?

If only we could look into the future, but most of us enter a relationship with stars in our eyes, not believing that the One WE Love could ever mistreat us. If you are ever in that situation, I'm sure you will be able to appreciate that.

Joe

on the beach

Yaay! That good ol' British Crime Survey that gets trotted out virtually every time some fanatical backlasher wants to 'prove' that women are just as/almost as/even more violent than men.

Despite the awfully authoritative sounding title, the survey is based merely on recall methodology (which I prefer to call giggle research), or to quote Wiki:

'The survey seeks to measure the amount of crime in England and Wales by asking around 50,000 people aged 16 and over ... living in private households, about the crimes they have experienced in the last year.'

The key phrasing here is that they are asked to recall an incident. When being used to assess domestic violence, the obvious major flaws in this are that it makes no distinction between defensive and offensive violence or gender disparities in physical strength, and ignores gender prejudices and bias. But it’s these very flaws that make it extremely attractive to the backlash industry (aka Men's Rights Movement).

Those irrefutable ‘facts’ that you keep referring to are not facts at all, but an accumulation of subjective memories.

R0bert

Please don’t bother to respond to this by writing yet another condescending concern-troll post to this forum about how I am so incapable and/or unwilling to accept any research that does not fit my extremist feminist dogma.

Unless anyone can prove to me that recall methodology is a scientifically sound research method, I’ll continue to dismiss it as giggle research.

So, calm down. Take deep breaths and go make yourself a cup of tea.

"Unless anyone can prove to me that recall methodology is a scientifically sound research method, I’ll continue to dismiss it as giggle research."

I doubt anyone could prove to Killarney that the earth was basically a sphere if it contradicted feminist dogma.

No problems with recall type research when it conducted by women for women and does not ask about violence they may have perpetated. No problems with altering the figures to suit dogma, no problems with a whole host of dodgy research methods used to prop up feminist findings about DV but any excuse to dismiss research that actually tries to find the facts.

No giggles in this, real people of both genders get hurt while the Killarneys of the world play their vile gender war games.

Joe, have you ever asked the same question of women raising concerns about the mens movement or the female version of the kind of issues men are raising here? I doubt it, are you one of those who does not think that women are as capable as men when it comes to thinking and need some special protections? Thats how your comments on this tread are looking to me.

R0bert

Joe I guess the men who have been murdered in premeditated cold blood, can't answer your questions. Those who have had a penis cut off while sleeping probably don't want to.

Those slowly poisoned, children & men , probably weren't aware of it until too late. They may have been of course. Remember Churchill telling lady Astor I think it was, that if she were his wife, he would drink the poisoned coffee. A blessed escape for some I suppose.

In fact I think that more women indulge in premeditated murder or serious harm, in totally cold blood, than men ever do. This is much more vicious than actions in the heat of the moment. I also think cleaning the toilet with someone elses tooth brush is a purely feminine action.

Our feminists will probably have some concocted excuse for this behavior, but really there is none in this day.

The worst thing is the feminists have set the conditions for these murderesses to claim domestic violence, & get away with straight cold blooded murder.

I don't think either sex can claim moral superiority.