Nuts: I want to share it with my literary mates at breakfast first.

So what you are saying is you don't have an answer & have to get professional advice from other nutters.

Hi Nutter,

Still waiting :) And just to remind you, an appeal to authority without evidence is still an appeal without evidence, and can be dismissed - without the need for evidence.

Should Jews exist ? Should Israel exist ? A one-word answer will suffice.

And I object to being called low-brow socialist: I don't think that I'm a socialist any more, after a lifetime of believing.

But low-brow, I don't mind :)

Joe

Yes.

Now Hapless Loudmouth you say the same for Palestine and the Palestinians.

After you've said yes Hapless Loudmouth define the borders?

I am prepared to do that too. Are you?

3508BC O288AD ... 1938 1948 1958 1968 1978 1988 1998 2008 now or 3008 or any year ending in 8 over the past 5 milenium. Take your pick.

Lol

You really can't cut it.

As I say ... Hapless loudmouth.

Hey, nuts. Just what did Churchill & Chesterton have to say about islam?

The militant Muslim is the person cutting the head of the infidel while the moderate Muslim holds the victims feet.
- Dr M. Sabieski (Professor of Philosophy)

There is in Islam a paradox which is perhaps a permanent menace. The great creed born in the desert creates a kind of ecstasy of the very emptiness of its own land, and even, one may say, out of the emptiness of its own theology. A void is made in the heart of Islam which has to be filled up again and again by a mere repetition of the revolution that founded it.
- G. K. Chesterton

Excerpt about Islam from the book "The River War" by Winston Churchill. (1899)

'How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!,'

'Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

'The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

'A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.

'The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

'Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

'No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.'

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You blokes really are stupid. All of you.

You say all Muslims are violent.
When I say some Jews and some Muslims are violent you attack and abuse me.

You say the Koran is violent.

When I say both the Koran and Hebrew bible contain both peacefulness and forgiveness as well as violence and vengeance you attack and abuse me.

You say Muslims are intent on a genocide of Jews.
When I say some Muslims and some Jews are intent on genocides you attack and abuse me.

When you say all Muslims or the 'Muslim World' are violent.

You attack and abuse me when I point out peaceful Islamic secular countries like Jordan, Turkey, Indonesia and Malaysia.

When you say I support or are friendly with Islamists because I overwhelmingly make statements that are anti Jewish or Israel.

I laugh at you.

There are no Muslims in here supporting the violence of other Muslims. If they were I'd debate with them as I have you lot.

There are in here Jews and non Jews supporting the violence of the Jews of Israel.

Doesn't that say something.

The fact Muslims haven't entered this debate supporting the violence of some Muslims tends to suggest to me Muslims in Australia overwhelmingly don't support violence and vengeance.

You disgraceful lot are evidence a few Jews outside Israel, if you are, and a few non Jews overwhelmingly support violence and vengeance.

If any of you are under the illusion I was doing anything other than stringing you all along until you had completely exposed yourselves ...well don't be so stupid.

Graham asked me once if he should not allow any discussion of the mid east.

I said no. This is why.