vdub

your attitudes are shared by Singer, lego, and all the other Muslim Haters, the IDF and 87% of Jewish Israelis.

They are not western attitudes.

The day you criticise any of those 'contributors' and antagonists instead of supporting everything they do or say is the day I'll consider you maybe not one of them.

Currently you are nothing more than an Israeli propagandist trying to appear reasonable. And you are failing miserably at that.

In case you do as you always do ... deflect.
Me I'm balanced. I abhor the evil teachings of both Judaism and Islam equally. I subscribe to Christ's teachings and our western traditions
I dare you to say the same..

Dear SR:

We could of course re-write this as you suggest however it would be incorrect for several reasons, all of which you choose to ignore. Let me summarise them again for you.

First, Israeli strikes follow intelligence regarding the exact location of the terror target, unlike the theory held by both you and Hamas insisting that a bus is a valid target because it might possibly have some Israeli servicemen riding it. Intelligence can be flawed, of course, but it’s infinitely better than pure guesswork and nothing but wishful assumptions.

Second, Israel forewarns civilians prior to any strikes, as is very easy to demonstrate. When was the last time Hamas issued a warning to their chosen civilian target, whether it's the town the rocket is aimed at, the bus or the nightclub they were going to blow up?

Third, IDF strikes are designed to hit the target and minimise collateral damage. As can be clearly seen in multiple video clips on the Internet from the latest conflict, when a building is struck, little damage is inflicted on the surrounding area. Hamas rockets, on the other hand, are aimed at no particular target, only in the general direction of major population areas. No specific target exists when deploying what appears to be your favourite and most legally accepted method - planting a bomb in a civilian target such as a nightclub, making sure plenty of nails and steel balls are added in to ensure the highest possible casualty rate.

Fourth, Israeli military leaders are not hiding themselves in residential buildings amongst civilians. Lethal Israeli arsenal is never stored in places of worship or schools. Attacks against terror targets in Gaza never originate from the grounds of Israeli hospitals. In Gaza, however, all of the above are common practice, turning these public spaces into military targets and Palestinian civilians into human shields.

I am still waiting for you to address the question I asked in my earlier post. You have written close to 2,500 words since, but so far you’ve made no attempt to tackle my question.

Nutter:

“your attitudes are shared by Singer, lego, and all the other Muslim Haters, the IDF and 87% of Jewish Israelis”

Interesting. 87% of Jewish Israelis share my attitude that western countries use pragmatic approach and are not controlled by the bible? Would you care to point out where you obtained this fascinating statistics from? I haven't seen David Singer or LEGO mentioning any of this.

I’ve done some Googling in an attempt to follow your advice and research the teachings of Christ and the practices of his followers. I came across a site that lists a large number of noble deeds done by devoted followers of Christ, such as yourself. Should I be following some of their examples? If I do, would you grace me with acceptance as a true member of your western society?

http://www.666christiancrimes.com

Ah V dub

It is not up to me to judge sinners. I think sins can be condemned and up to God to judge and condemn sinners.

You think you have the right to condemn both sins and sinners. Your book entitles you to do that.

Therein lies the difference between us.

I and my god still love you even with your arrogance.

Thanks for that link Avw.

One of my hobbies is doing a "World Time Line" I've taken various other Time Line book & combined them, plus other dates I found. I'll add the detail of this link to my Book.

Have you got a Time Line Link for Atrocities committed by Moslems, that would be great, please.

Foxy: Question: A bad place to fall asleep?

Answer: Hanging over a Three Stand Coil Barbed Wire entanglement on Christmas Morning right in front of the Gun Pit, Bien Hoa, SVN, 1965

Steelie: Why on earth do the Gazan people have to drag virtually all their supplies through hundreds of tunnels hundreds of metres long if this were true?

All their supplies? You mean Weapons, don't you? Ordinary supplies are not stopped, but you knew that.

Foxy: Did you know that the extremist - who took his young son to Syria was a total nut-job he had serious mental problems here in Australia, he suffered from schizophrenia, and needed medical care. Yet people are blaming all Muslims for this lunatic's behaviour.

There's not enough Medical Help in Australia to deal with all the Moslems that have mental issues. I suggest that they go overseas to get professional help. Like Syria/Iraq.

NC: Nelson Mendella, John J. Mearsheimer, Stephen M. Walt, Nobel Laureate Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu, Antony Loewenstein, Karen Armstrong, Gideon Levy, Stephen
Professor Noam Chomsky, Uri Avnery, Ilan Pappe.

When all said & done the opinions expressed by these peoples are personal & opinions have about as much meaning as yours & mine. They really mean nothing. Just as many prominent people have the opposite view, as shown in this forum.

I may get some of these mixed up, I hope not.

Steelie: So what is Hamas was to say at the start of the onflict; 'We are issuing a warning to all those south of Jerusalem that we will be firing rockets into this area and all civilians will need to evacuate for their own safety' – would that just make it all okay?

That would be great, & they could give the Co-Ordinates for the Base Plate too.

Foxy: If you want to exclude people like Iftikar from this country because he's a Muslim - you may also be doing this country a great disservice. You may also be excluding people like Dr Munjed Al Muderis - who ran from war-torn Iraq and came to this country as an asylum-seeker - today he's a miracle worker who fits amputees with radical robotic limbs.

I do not doubt that there Moslem people who would be of great benefit to Australia. People who go out of their way to assimilate & join in with Australian Culture. Like Dr Al Mudres. But, given a choice between the two, I take it you would chose Iftikhar & his ilk? Hmmm.

Foxy: Multiculturalism? I feel people who immigrate & retaining their own Culture exclusively is wrong. I am of mixed decent. English, Irish, Scot, Dane & Swede. I celebrate Paddy's Day, Burn's Day, Bastille Day, etc, but I don't wear a kilt or leather shorts 24/7, & I don't "insist" on everybody "hating" anybody who is not White Anglo/Saxon. Other than that I celebrate Australian Culture. I can also celebrate Greek, Italian, French, etc, cultures. I don't insist other people MUST adopt on being those Cultures 24/7 or I will kill them one day.

I don't insist & demand that everybody change to MY culture or I kill you if you don't. Therein lies the difference.